Turboman
Mab An Gov
I did that once when I got stuck. Everyone on here laughed cos I got recovered by a slitty
Last time I got stuck, I was recovered by my neighbour, driving my own 109!
Last time I got stuck, I was recovered by my neighbour, driving my own 109!
Hmm heavy and lumbering. Good combination.Got one of these stuck in a farmers field whilst proving its inability on New Years day 1994 - Lets say my boss didn't take it well, neither did the fitters who had to replace a broken drive shaft, but worst of all were my mates who had to spend 5 hours digging it out
Hippo
Lord Hippo
I think there's 2 problems here which are made difficult buy the recent honda crv incident where the initial report was no where near the reality of the situation and it's dangers. He's not stooooopid he knows telling us the true facts would have stopped any potential recovery. It sounds like it's been up there a number of days before we knew of it. It was mot'ed recently so he's probably taken the insurance off it as it's stuck, or may be on a multi policy.
The first problem is how to keep responders safe and in comms. I think LZIR does this well but it does worry me when peeps go out to meet a stranger in the middle of know where. The second problem is where to draw the line of help when yer on site, witnessing the problem for real. Many would want to have a go if they were there and perhaps push the boundary but on this occasion backing away from it would have been the preferable choice. It's only a decision peeps on site can make but they need to be reminded not to go too far and limit the risk they take to themselves and their vehicle. On this occasion there was no risk to the owner. He just wanted free/cheap recovery.
The issue of the crv owner finding us is easy. He wanted free recovery and searched the web. Loads of companies out there doing this sort of work including the AA/RAC who won't do it themselves but will subcontract help and manage it for you. You'll need a credit card as yer will be paying. It would be more than the crv is worth. He has littered the countryside by leaving his crv there so he should be responsible to get it moved. If he has to pay then he should.
The first problem is how to keep responders safe and in comms. I think LZIR does this well but it does worry me when peeps go out to meet a stranger in the middle of know where. The second problem is where to draw the line of help when yer on site, witnessing the problem for real. Many would want to have a go if they were there and perhaps push the boundary but on this occasion backing away from it would have been the preferable choice. It's only a decision peeps on site can make but they need to be reminded not to go too far and limit the risk they take to themselves and their vehicle. On this occasion there was no risk to the owner. He just wanted free/cheap recovery.
The issue of the crv owner finding us is easy. He wanted free recovery and searched the web. Loads of companies out there doing this sort of work including the AA/RAC who won't do it themselves but will subcontract help and manage it for you. You'll need a credit card as yer will be paying. It would be more than the crv is worth. He has littered the countryside by leaving his crv there so he should be responsible to get it moved. If he has to pay then he should.
Shimsteriom
Master Procrastinator
Maybe it's time to politely say no to anyone who just signs up to the LZ forum to make use of the "free recovery" service?
Iancorky
Well-Known Member
More like fed up and can't be arssed ...
doriz
Well-Known Member
Did wonder
private penguin
Well-Known Member
I have, in the past, managed a callout based emergency response service. Somewhat different to what we're doing here (trained volunteers, no "Public" callout facility (calls were via utility companies or emergency services), etc. But i think there are key things that could translate across to LZIR. The hard part is how to manage this without making an unweildy workload for MHM and BB (thanks for everything you guys do by the way!). With the new data protection regulations coming in, there would also be a need to be careful how this was managed.
I think a good starting point would be requiring people to register to be able to get help. Not just have a forum username, but have a system (e.g. Jotform or a google form) through which those wanting to sign up to be able to use LZIR had to provide basic details - name, address, phone, email. Whilst it would be impractical to confirm these details, it would help ensure that all users were genuine.
A second requirement should be that, when a request comes in, the registration number of the vehicle should be required. A quick check on the DVLA website would then allow rescuers to know basic details (including make, model and colour) of the car. If the details dont match the car then thats an alarm bell. Again, having a registration gives details that, if something happened, could be passed on to the police.
Thirdly I think a checklist could be provided to rescuers. Clearly it is up to individual rescuers whether they carry out a rescue, but a checklist might aid in the decision making. So:
- Do you have all the necessary equipment (torch, water, food, blanket, spade, etc) in your vehicle
- Do you have all the details required
- On arrival, have you carried out a recce on foot. Is it safe to continue
etc
I think a good starting point would be requiring people to register to be able to get help. Not just have a forum username, but have a system (e.g. Jotform or a google form) through which those wanting to sign up to be able to use LZIR had to provide basic details - name, address, phone, email. Whilst it would be impractical to confirm these details, it would help ensure that all users were genuine.
A second requirement should be that, when a request comes in, the registration number of the vehicle should be required. A quick check on the DVLA website would then allow rescuers to know basic details (including make, model and colour) of the car. If the details dont match the car then thats an alarm bell. Again, having a registration gives details that, if something happened, could be passed on to the police.
Thirdly I think a checklist could be provided to rescuers. Clearly it is up to individual rescuers whether they carry out a rescue, but a checklist might aid in the decision making. So:
- Do you have all the necessary equipment (torch, water, food, blanket, spade, etc) in your vehicle
- Do you have all the details required
- On arrival, have you carried out a recce on foot. Is it safe to continue
etc
We have NOTHING! I appreciate that this is hard to come to terms with when, by most, reception is just accept as 'normal'.
neilly
Well-Known Member
If that is found to be the case then it surely would be a red flag and make any potential issue a higher risk on the analysis. May make you turn away and go find a service to request more help to be on hand, rather than attempt it by yourself and get yourself and the rescuee further into trouble.
Cheers
Yup. It’s not hard to have an active map - in real time if needed - that flags this sort of thing
good idea. we would need one for BB, myself and every volunteer. Who would pay for them?
johnlad
Well-Known Member
I’ve spent many a weekend in wales laning and not had a signal from start to finish, but the basic points are, is the vehicle up to it, clearly not in this case, just look at the tyres, proper recovery points? None evident on the vehicle. Not going alone, as normally the people with you help get you unstuck,
Same applies to rescuers, if you ain’t got the proper kit and knowledge wait for more equipped and knowledgable people to arrive
Same applies to rescuers, if you ain’t got the proper kit and knowledge wait for more equipped and knowledgable people to arrive
Await a PM - I’ll explain it there.
that makes life easy
1) you cant be a member of LZIR because we could never call you out.
2) you can never ask to be rescued because you couldnt contact us.
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Spot on! That's why I keep a very well maintained vehicle and ..... my fingers crossed!that makes life easy
1) you cant be a member of LZIR because we could never call you out.
2) you can never ask to be rescued necause you couldnt contact us.
the biggest problem with this is that we are dealing with human beings. Those most likely to get stuck are those least likely to be prepared or aware of the risks. If everyone went out on a group with fully kitted out Landies, the situation wouldnt arise. ~Its the dumb peeps that go out alone.... " it was ok last time...... I know what IU am doing" or are sufficiently ignorant of the vehicle/condition/their driving skills that cause the problem.
that would mean, by default, that all that need rescuing would be disqualified and we would only rescue those that didnt need it!!!!
that would mean, by default, that all that need rescuing would be disqualified and we would only rescue those that didnt need it!!!!
That'll do we'll keep it at that ...
