doriz · Dec 30, 2017

All LZIR is doing is putting LZIR members with other likeminded 4 x 4 owners from LZIR, whereby there is an unwritten code. I have noticed a time or two, folk who have only just joined etc asking for immediate help?

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

Turboman said:
I don't believe coal lorries have ever used that track, especially at this time of year.

I do suspect OP was a lying toad.

They looked like this though

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

goonarmy said:
They looked like this though
View attachment 137981

I do like a good motor home

JohnM70 · Dec 30, 2017

@The Mad Hat Man I’m not criticising in any way - I’ve done and still do a similar job as you do, so I know just how hard it is.
I’d offer to help the coordination if that would be any use? Again, I know what a thankless task it can be!!

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

doriz said:
I do like a good motor home

Tis a coal truck I tell you!

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

goonarmy said:
Tis a coal truck I tell you!

It's clearly Roger Fededededededrs motor home

neilly · Dec 30, 2017

I would like to think that if there are any dubious circumstances that either the Persone receiving the original request of the persone setting out on the "rescue" double checks the situation on the vehicle using these two sites.

https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle
https://ownvehicle.askmid.com/

From what we have seen on the "stuck" thread, it may well have changed the way it was looked upon.

Cheers

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

doriz said:
It's clearly Roger Fededededededrs coal truck

He has to make some money in between playing bat n ball

The Mad Hat Man · Dec 30, 2017

JohnM70 said:
@The Mad Hat Man I’m not criticising in any way - I’ve done and still do a similar job as you do, so I know just how hard it is.
I’d offer to help the coordination if that would be any use? Again, I know what a thankless task it can be!!

All constructive points of view are helpful. I am happy to do what the members want. Historically I am aware that each situation is different and that each needs to be assessed at the time.
It doesn’t help if the OP is lying, if that is the case. We can only go on info given.
Do we ask all LZIR volunteers to sign a lz disclaimer prior to being accepted and prove they have recovery experience and insurance prior to adding them?

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

blue beasty said:
Sorry I'm late to the party, I'm sat waiting for the AA with a blown head gasket with no reception and just worked out how to Pikey WiFi.

While it's true LZIR is a just a means of putting people in touch with each other and is not responsible for what happens we do have guidelines that clearly didn't prevent a bad situation getting worse and need reassessing.

The main thing that would have made the difference last night is a strong recommendation to assess the situation on foot before approaching with a vehicle.

I spoke to the OP and tried to get an assessment of the conditions and having later seen the photo it wasn't very accurate or even honest but how much of that is down to deception or inexperience I have no idea.

I passed the assessment on to those willing to consider responding along with the assurance I had been given that permission for recovery vehicles to enter had been given.

What we do about people who haven't got insurance I don't know, it's never occurred to me to even ask before let alone have a procedure for finding out if they are telling the truth.

How far are you from home ?

The Mad Hat Man · Dec 30, 2017

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Dippypud said:
How far are you from home ?

Do I ask LZIR? Are you insured and/or lying?

JohnM70 · Dec 30, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
All constructive points of view are helpful. I am happy to do what the members want. Historically I am aware that each situation is different and that each needs to be assessed at the time.
It doesn’t help if the OP is lying, if that is the case. We can only go on info given.
Do we ask all LZIR volunteers to sign a lz disclaimer prior to being accepted and prove they have recovery experience and insurance prior to adding them?

Ask the requestee if they are insured / accept they can’t then claim against a volunteer maybe? A simple standard formatted text / email would suffice.

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
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Do I ask LZIR? Are you insured and/or lying?

The amount of 'banter' needed to prove you're truthful ?

derwendolly · Dec 30, 2017

Hippo said:
And another fing:
If someone does go out to help someone I think they need to "call in" to say they is on site, confirm they feel safe with the person they've met (dial a LR and nick it.com) and confirm the eggsact location via grid ref or similar before things go further. Just in case there's a problem and we need to get help to them or hand the situation over to 999

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your suggestion, I think people should be very aware that mobile phone reception is, at the very best, patchy, so communication is very hard to achieve. I live in one of these areas in Wales so do not even have a mobile 'ornament'! If I break down I have to leave my vehicle and walk to the nearest house and ask to use their landline. This is a problem not very often appreciated by the masses.

JohnM70 · Dec 30, 2017

derwendolly said:
Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your suggestion, I think people should be very aware that mobile phone reception is, at the very best, patchy, so communication is very hard to achieve. I live in one of these areas in Wales so do not even have a mobile 'ornament'! If I break down I have to leave my vehicle and walk to the nearest house and ask to use their landline. This is a problem not very often appreciated by the masses.

A text or Wattsapp requires considerably less signal than a voice call...

jamesmartin · Dec 30, 2017

in my opinion apart from all other considerations volunteers should be only asked to aid regular or known members

JohnM70 · Dec 30, 2017

I use this and although it costs money, it is a 2-way text based conmuications platform and would be ideal for LZIR
http://sms-responder.com/

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

derwendolly said:
Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your suggestion, I think people should be very aware that mobile phone reception is, at the very best, patchy, so communication is very hard to achieve. I live in one of these areas in Wales so do not even have a mobile 'ornament'! If I break down I have to leave my vehicle and walk to the nearest house and ask to use their landline. This is a problem not very often appreciated by the masses.

I have a mobile, but I don't have a smartphone, so posting on the forum while out and about isn't a possibility.

Not that I would ask LZIR for help anyway. I would just sort it out myself, like I always do. My vehicles are always carefully maintained anyway, and I am experienced enough to see situations, and avoid them. So touch wood, I rarely get issues.

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

I know this is unhelpful, but it made I larf...

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

Turboman said:
I have a mobile, but I don't have a smartphone, so posting on the forum while out and about isn't a possibility.

Not that I would ask LZIR for help anyway. I would just sort it out myself, like I always do. My vehicles are always carefully maintained anyway, and I am experienced enough to see situations, and avoid them. So touch wood, I rarely get issues.

I did that once when I got stuck. Everyone on here laughed cos I got recovered by a slitty

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