goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

allan downes said:
yes i agree its an awkward one ive not that much damage she,ll live broken snorkel top and wind deflector and quite a few tree lines to t cut out lol .and i think the person stuck should have an idea of the type of recovery it needs because like in the pictures brian took it looked nice and fine but when i got there it was a very diff story very

Is It a good idea to rely on someone who has already got stuck to define what's required? The OP on your rescue said just a tug in low range IIRC.

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

allan downes said:
yes i agree its an awkward one ive not that much damage she,ll live broken snorkel top and wind deflector and quite a few tree lines to t cut out lol .and i think the person stuck should have an idea of the type of recovery it needs because like in the pictures brian took it looked nice and fine but when i got there it was a very diff story very

Glad you haven't got much damage.

I don't agree that looked nice. One look at the pic he posted, I thought that looked like a place I wouldn't go in a vehicle except life and death.
Especially on a winters evening with the light failing,

jamesmartin · Dec 30, 2017

i think much more assessment is needed before asking people to volunteer,once someones committed themselves its natural to at least try and that can present unforeseen risks, most of the rescues are no doubt simple enough, but thats 2 recently ive seen i think people shouldnt have been asked to volunteer for

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

jamesmartin said:
i think much more assessment is needed before asking people to volunteer,once someones committed themselves its natural to at least try and that can present unforeseen risks, most of the rescues are no doubt simple enough, but thats 2 recently ive seen i think people shouldnt have been asked to volunteer for

First to arrive should always recce and assess on foot if in the slightest doubt.

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

jamesmartin said:
i think much more assessment is needed before asking people to volunteer,once someones committed themselves its natural to at least try and that can present unforeseen risks, most of the rescues are no doubt simple enough, but thats 2 recently ive seen i think people shouldnt have been asked to volunteer for

So how do you get the info then ?

Rely on the person who got stuck? we saw how that panned out

neilly · Dec 30, 2017

brian47 said:
condition of the track or any other way out. By the time I realised that the track was unsuitable, there was no other way to go but forwards.

Great effort Brian and I applaud you for attempting to help out in what turned out to be on extreme terrain.

In light of what this thread is attempting to do.

What would you say you should have done differently if anything on this occasion? as a leesons to be learned if any and advice for others?

Cheers

jamesmartin · Dec 30, 2017

Turboman said:
First to arrive should always recce and assess on foot if in the slightest doubt.

very true but once someones committed themselves and made the journey etc their likely to take more of a risk than if theyd known previously

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

Dippypud said:
So how do you get the info then ?

Rely on the person who got stuck? we saw how that panned out

^^^^^^^^^^. On foot, and if possible, not alone. In case of the twisted ankle scenario.

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

jamesmartin said:
very true but once someones committed themselves and made the journey etc their likely to take more of a risk than if theyd known previously

Very hard to assess risk over the internet or phone. We always used to walk it first, and always went for back-up if it was potentially dangerous.

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

jamesmartin said:
very true but once someones committed themselves and made the journey etc their likely to take more of a risk than if theyd known previously

Why, only an idiot does that ?

jamesmartin · Dec 30, 2017

Dippypud said:
So how do you get the info then ?

Rely on the person who got stuck? we saw how that panned out

if you cant get it dont ask,

Dippypud said:
Why, only an idiot does that ?

its human nature
and im just giving my opinion i dont want to turn the thread into argument about it

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

jamesmartin said:
its human nature

Possibly not so much with humans that have seen a tractor overturn.

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

jamesmartin said:
if you cant get it dont ask,

its human nature
and im just giving my opinion i dont want to turn the thread into argument about it

I'm trying not to argue, I'm trying to work out how to get info if no-one should go if asked ?

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

Dippypud said:
I'm trying not to argue, I'm trying to work out how to get info if no-one should go if asked ?

They should go if asked, and if they want to. But they should assess the situation with extreme care when they arrive, and before putting themselves in danger.

jamesmartin · Dec 30, 2017

Turboman said:
Possibly not so much with humans that have seen a tractor overturn.

i knew and know quite a few local killed or injured by various farm machinery, its surprising how many thinking about it

neilly · Dec 30, 2017

allan downes said:
im not knocking the op but well what the hell was you doing up there like that and the guy doesnt have any car insurance i just checked so we risked alot s677bgt on ask mid not insured so thats the last post on this as im quite annoyed that brian was put in that position

This raises a point well made by @allan downes , perhaps a precheck of the reg could show the vehicle is at least legally on the "road". Before anyone ventures out to look at it.

Cheers

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

jamesmartin said:
i knew and know quite a few local killed or injured by various farm machinery, its surprising how many thinking about it

Me too!

Why I never take too many risks. Especially if it is only a vehicle. Quite different if there are people trapped in it, or stranded outdoors overnight.

jamesmartin · Dec 30, 2017

Turboman said:
Me too! Why I never take too many risks. Especially if it is only a vehicle. Quite different if there are people trapped in it, or stranded outdoors overnight.

we did get a lot stuck on the beach, and usual scenario was several vehicles as those coming to aid also got stuck

Turboman · Dec 30, 2017

jamesmartin said:
we did get a lot stuck on the beach, and usual scenario was several vehicles as those coming to aid also got stuck

Fine if it is flat, and you have good ropes. My issue with the scenario in Wales would be that the narrowness of the track left very little margin for error. Any sideslip, or just poor steering, and that was only going one way. Down.

jamesmartin · Dec 30, 2017

Turboman said:
Fine if it is flat, and you have good ropes. My issue with the scenario in Wales would be that the narrowness of the track left very little margin for error. Any sideslip, or just poor steering, and that was only going one way. Down.

both have their risks the local beach is more like morcambe bay, its not just straight sand

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