Hippo said:
Oh sh*t. Then talk to the DVLA to see what you can do to get the v5 log book cancelled then re-issued back to you... If this is possible. You need to retain ownership of the vehicle to have a chance of getting it back.
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The V5 is not proof of ownership it is a record of the registered keeper.


In the case of find-virdee he appears to have made at least two mistakes. He gave the garage the V5 and has agree on them selling the car. Now unless he has a written contract properly signed then the garage could potentially argue that the price they got on selling the vehicle only just met their repair costs or even worst case scenario the garage goes after find-virdee claiming that the selling price did not cover their repair costs.

They sound like a very disreputable garage. Now it does show that people must do their research first. Also if a company is being disreputable then it is important that whenever a company does act disreputably then people keep an eye on them and ensure that any change of name is noted and past the new name on.


Brendan
 
leeds said:
The V5 is not proof of ownership it is a record of the registered keeper.

In the case of find-virdee he appears to have made at least two mistakes. He gave the garage the V5 and has agree on them selling the car. Now unless he has a written contract properly signed then the garage could potentially argue that the price they got on selling the vehicle only just met their repair costs or even worst case scenario the garage goes after find-virdee claiming that the selling price did not cover their repair costs.

They sound like a very disreputable garage. Now it does show that people must do their research first. Also if a company is being disreputable then it is important that whenever a company does act disreputably then people keep an eye on them and ensure that any change of name is noted and past the new name on.

Brendan
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Agreed. Problem is most don't keep a receipt when buying a car. I was hoping in some way the DVLA could void the V5 or stop it being transferred. but he's agreed to them selling it so lost control of it. I would doubt there's a contract in place. If there is then they're very clever at making sure the detail is missing unless it suits them. I think the vehicle and money from a potential sale is gone. The only good that can come out of it is someone may find his story and think twice about using them.

It would be interesting if all those who have been done over by this outfit were to put the registrations and vin online in the chance someone may own it int future so we can find out what happens to said vehicles.
 
Unfortunately there is so many different rogue and scam traders out there. There are also the scamming customers as well. Yes scammers work on a 2 way street.

People need to do their own research and the internet can be a useful tool.

Search for reviews. But read with an open mind, one bad review might be down to a disgruntled customer. Multiple bad reviews in a short time is it some full of campaign? Look at review history.

For instance Company house can be useful for looking at company and directors history. If a company/director has gone bust been compulsory dissolved that might be misfortunate. Several times then are they plain dodgy??

VAT number is it valid?

Is there a geographical phone line or just a mobile number?

Street view what does it show? Have found a car trader based on the 3rd floor of a block of flats. Alarm bells?

A full website or just a facebook page?



Brendan
 
Hi Guys,


Funny enough, I have just made a purchase for a new TDVY 3.0 engine for my land rover 4 this week from the same guys!


I noted the adverts on ebay and made payment over paypal for £2500 for the engine which was to be delivered and my old one taken away from my local garage. I noted the surcharge at the bottom of the listing (not taking much notice of this to be honest) and when advised that this was £1500 it raised concerns to me.


Looking at the feedback there seems to be a strange emphasis on "the customer has paid by bank transfer" also. I had advised the seller that the listing should have included the £1500 surcharge as part of the advert if this is a fixed cost (which apparently is refundable upon inspection of my old engine, yeh right!). Looking at the communication this week, almost immediately I was sent bank details from when I bought the item.


I had offered yesterday evening to deliver my old engine in-house, collect the new one from their location and subject to the old engine being satisfactory to them, we would drive away with the new one without the requirement for the surcharge payment. I had thrown this out there to them to put the ball in their court without the risk of paying further funds for this "surcharge" and surprise surprise, I haven’t been provided their address yet!


This ultimately led me to Googling the number: 01654749201 which let me to this thread. As it stands, I have already paid out via paypal / debit card for the engine. I don’t feel this will ever be supplied to me as I believe their original plan was to either scam me completely or shaft me via this “surcharge payment”. It advises returns on the listing so I should be able to force some form of refund via ebay or by bank.


At this stage I am wondering if it’s worth me persuing someing in more detail whilst its mid-may through the process? As far as the seller is concerned, I am awaiting his address to come and collect the new engine today! If I can be of any help through what I fell is going to be a bit of a game of chess now, please let me know.
 
My comment would be to try and recover your funds as rapidly as possible, and do not be lulled into complacency by paypal's marketing.
 
Be careful of paypals lack of "protection" from items picked up in person.

Its a loop hole that may see you out of pocket.
 
benmid said:
Hi Guys,


Funny enough, I have just made a purchase for a new TDVY 3.0 engine for my land rover 4 this week from the same guys!


I noted the adverts on ebay and made payment over paypal for £2500 for the engine which was to be delivered and my old one taken away from my local garage. I noted the surcharge at the bottom of the listing (not taking much notice of this to be honest) and when advised that this was £1500 it raised concerns to me.


Looking at the feedback there seems to be a strange emphasis on "the customer has paid by bank transfer" also. I had advised the seller that the listing should have included the £1500 surcharge as part of the advert if this is a fixed cost (which apparently is refundable upon inspection of my old engine, yeh right!). Looking at the communication this week, almost immediately I was sent bank details from when I bought the item.


I had offered yesterday evening to deliver my old engine in-house, collect the new one from their location and subject to the old engine being satisfactory to them, we would drive away with the new one without the requirement for the surcharge payment. I had thrown this out there to them to put the ball in their court without the risk of paying further funds for this "surcharge" and surprise surprise, I haven’t been provided their address yet!


This ultimately led me to Googling the number: 01654749201 which let me to this thread. As it stands, I have already paid out via paypal / debit card for the engine. I don’t feel this will ever be supplied to me as I believe their original plan was to either scam me completely or shaft me via this “surcharge payment”. It advises returns on the listing so I should be able to force some form of refund via ebay or by bank.


At this stage I am wondering if it’s worth me persuing someing in more detail whilst its mid-may through the process? As far as the seller is concerned, I am awaiting his address to come and collect the new engine today! If I can be of any help through what I fell is going to be a bit of a game of chess now, please let me know.
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Thanks fer joining and tellin us yer story.

Read through eBay's listing policy. Int theory they shouldn't be asking fer additional money int listing even if its only a deposit to counter the cost of you not handing over an equivalent engine. If it's int listing then it's a condition of the agreed sale but not a process eye think eBay will approve of. If they consider the sale void they will reverse the PayPal.

It would be interesting to know wot address they currently claim ter use if they reply.

As t'others have said eye would be trying to get out and get money back rather than handing over more money. Certainly don't go there. Their usual defensive trick is to go quiet when you want something. It leaves yer hanging.

Eye doubt their engine work is any good after reading reviews so the replacement probably won't be worth the money even if yer get it.
 
I suppose what's surprising in all of this is how easy it is to take people's property off them if you're determined to be as difficult as possible. If someone breaks into your car and takes it from outside your house you'd expect there to be some sort of legal redress. But if they call themselves a garage and offer to replace the engine and somehow the car never comes back, it seems to be much more difficult to do anything about it. I think also they're able to exploit the fact that most of us don't change our engines that often, so are unfamiliar with the process. They've pitched the price so it looks like a bargain but not so low that it looks impossible. Usually there's some sort of core charge when you get a new engine and gearbox, which is waived if you can provide a satisfactory used unit in exchange, but most of us aren't entirely sure how it works until we try it. So all of this provides leverage for the miscreant to enable another £1500 to disappear from the victim's bank account. And so on. If you don't answer the door, change your phone number, screen all callers with a cctv camera and chuck all your post straight in the bin you can carry on misbehaving for quite a while. Add in the implied threat of violence towards persistent complainants and you can probably get away with it for a while longer.
 
Calling themselves Fresh Engines UK according to the eBay adverts against eBay user id: shell82lilac
 
Hippo said:
Calling themselves Fresh Engines UK according to the eBay adverts against eBay user id: shell82lilac
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Their selling history on Ebay for Landrover engine-work is nonexistant. No listed address for the usual VAT bollox either.
Looks like a spare username from some friend or family member they've taken over for using.
 
BuzzLand said:
Their selling history on Ebay for Landrover engine-work is nonexistant. No listed address for the usual VAT bollox either.
Looks like a spare username from some friend or family member they've taken over for using.
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Eye thought the same. A cheap way ter mass advertise with their phone number.
 
You're a very well composed poster compared to how I would be in that position.

You must be absolutely bloody livid!

I'm glad we have people like yourselves out here naming and shaming the scum though!

I appreciate you word of caution, best of luck getting the issue resolved, I really seriously hope you and the police can nail the scumbags and get your hard-earned dosh back.
 
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