in the past i've been tempted to look at other models but just keep coming back to land rovers , had them for 30 x years
, before i got into landies i liked the Nissan patrols
thought we used the recovery points to remove panels lol
in the past i've been tempted to look at other models but just keep coming back to land rovers , had them for 30 x years
, before i got into landies i liked the Nissan patrols
thought we used the recovery points to remove panels lol
Feathers McGraw
Well-Known Member
Don't let Rache hear you slag off the vcu!
thought it was 3 x degrees , lol
ozzyboydeano
Well-Known Member
I had the old Nissan pathfinder (terrano) the only thing was good was the rear LSD diffin the past i've been tempted to look at other models but just keep coming back to land rovers , had them for 30 x years
before i got into landies i liked the Nissan patrols
thought we used the recovery points to remove panels lol
the front IFS was useless ohh wait the freelander has a similer set up with CV joints so doing diff drops wasn't really worth it
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think with many different manufacturers they all have the faults, imagine the reliability are a lot better with jap motors
do feel however land rover has excellent off road systems
believe the merc G wagon is supposed to be virtually unstoppable off road wth the 3 x lockers
Hippo
Lord Hippo
To some extent I agree. But anyone putting something online has a certain responsibility to put up the correct info. If they don't know what they're doing then they shouldn't put it up. Especially if giving guidance on doing something. Some of the brake changing video's on you tube are just dangerous. I would hope no one follows them but you never know.
understand what ur saying and of course is always good practice to put up good advice
but the person has to use there own common sense , should they follow a video in how to repair brakes if they've never done it before , as many videos are just that , guidance
same way if someone posted a video in how to wire up a plug and was wrong advice , the person changed there plug and there house burnt down , who's responsible ???
Hippo
Lord Hippo
That's a difficult one. The person wiring the plug is at fault but the person creating/displaying the video has a duty of care. But I knows what yer means.
discool
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I've driven a Honda Accord for the last fifteen years as a company car which was replaced every three years never had a problem with any of them, and they were were full of the electronic gizmos that the top of the range models I had.
So that's where I'd go if I was now after a 4x4 or SUV if I wanted one.
The off-road electronic gizmos that LRs now have are also fitted to the Japanese, French etc etc off-road vehicles, I was tempted to order a D5 when I went to look at a D4 last year but like the D2 it's again full of stuff I'd never use, like the D3 & 4, anyway the LR dealer wouldn't bid for what I wanted for my car so I went next door to the Jaguar side of the dealership an got what I wanted, so good bye Land Rover.
Still have my D1 which will be 20 years old next month, and having the use of other vehicles in the discos life is only showing 46,156 miles today, so no need to scrap it yet.
As for G Wagon there's no such thing now it's "G Series" ... I don't see the point of the three locking able diffs on a £134,000+ vehicle if it's AMG, do you really think that it would go off-road?, my disco has never been near mud.
I took a G Wagon for a test drive along with all their other vehicles on a Mercedes open day back back in 1987 it was every basic, so no need to cancel the order I had for a RR in place with LR.
It's a shame that now owners have to use Utube etc or even forums to repair there vehicles, no mechanical skills these days ?
that's very true regarding repairs , i was lucky enough for my dad to teach me when i was around 12 , helping by passing spanners asking questions , then helping me with my own cars , servicing , changing oil etc
think people without any car knowledge and wish to maintain there own vehicles could attend some car mechanics evening classes , for peace of mind are being taught properly , not forgettting saving a fortune on labour costs
know for a fact i couldn't afford my landy if i didn't do the work myself
Hippo
Lord Hippo
Peeps on ere often pick on Freelanders because of shortfalls they perceive they may have. It's a fact most peeps doing so rarely use the vehicle they own for the same thing they despise Freelanders as not able to do. Like never or rarely going oft road, and picking on Freelanders because they're not as capable as a tank with tracks.
Another eggsample would be not being able to tow a horse box with two horses int side. Now one would question why peeps do this. Very few Freelanders have a horse box. Even fewer have 1, not to mention 2 horses. So yer kind of get the feeling the supposed shortfall our Freelanders have in this instance means nowt.
So why should our lovely Freelanders be picked on for not being able to do something that we don't want to do anyway? What's the reasoning behind thinking we should own a vehicle that can do this even though we don't need to? The list goes on... oft road clearance... all vehicles get stuck at some point when oft road. Generally speaking the betterer yer vehicle is oft road the more yer want to do with it, increasing risk of getting stuck in the impossible, therefore tackling more demanding obstacles, and still getting stuck. Our Freelanders are more often than not our daily drive. Why would we want to race tanks oft road and damage our lovely Hippo's? We all know the best oft roader is a mountain goat. I don't need one of them either.
Peeps always moan about Freelanders using car engines and gearboxes. They're probably not old enough to remember the original tratter doing the same.
To answer yer original question: Freelanders do what they do and do it well. For the majority 4x4 or big vehicle user, a Freelander is more than capable of doing what they need.
Yer'll get fatter
On the occasions I've been at pay and play sites disco's have sat there and watched jap motors recover ma Hippo. So they're either lazy, snobs or worried the recovery may rip the back end oft their disco.
discool
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So true.
I have two nephews one is wheeling & dealing in the City so no probs getting his cars dealer serviced/repaired the other works for a courier company, no a good payer but still had to go to a garage, both in their late 30s and haven't a clue, I had to replace an interior bulb for one of them once.
I don't know where I got my experience from but like the TV add... if you can repair a push bike, you can repair you can repair an motor bike, you can repair a car etc. Mind you, my dad was in the RAF MT section for a while after doing his bit in WW2 in the desert with the RAF so I may have gleaned a bit from him as a child... maybe maybe not can't remember
So true.
I have two nephews one is wheeling & dealing in the City so no probs getting his cars dealer serviced/repaired the other works for a courier company, no a good payer but still had to go to a garage, both in their late 30s and haven't a clue, I had to replace an interior bulb for one of them once.
I don't know where I got my experience from but like the TV add... if you can repair a push bike, you can repair you can repair an motor bike, you can repair a car etc. Mind you, my dad was in the RAF MT section for a while after doing his bit in WW2 in the desert with the RAF so I may have gleaned a bit from him as a child... maybe maybe not can't remember
think when u buy ur own motors u really begin to learn, helped i think because they were so simple, therefore having the basics has helped towards the cars of today , alas be it sometimes with the use of a diagnostic reader but having that root knowledge i think helps a lot
had motorbikes first and learnt real fast what a worn out tyre does in the wet when going over a manhole , teaching me to maintain it or it's putting my life at risk by not looking after it
still think every learner should ride a bike first before being allowed in a car
Nig
Bored Shìtless
Peeps on ere often pick on Freelanders because of shortfalls they perceive they may have. It's a fact most peeps doing so rarely use the vehicle they own for the same thing they despise Freelanders as not able to do. Like never or rarely going oft road, and picking on Freelanders because they're not as capable as a tank with tracks.
Another eggsample would be not being able to tow a horse box with two horses int side. Now one would question why peeps do this. Very few Freelanders have a horse box. Even fewer have 1, not to mention 2 horses. So yer kind of get the feeling the supposed shortfall our Freelanders have in this instance means nowt.
So why should our lovely Freelanders be picked on for not being able to do something that we don't want to do anyway? What's the reasoning behind thinking we should own a vehicle that can do this even though we don't need to? The list goes on... oft road clearance... all vehicles get stuck at some point when oft road. Generally speaking the betterer yer vehicle is oft road the more yer want to do with it, increasing risk of getting stuck in the impossible, therefore tackling more demanding obstacles, and still getting stuck. Our Freelanders are more often than not our daily drive. Why would we want to race tanks oft road and damage our lovely Hippo's? We all know the best oft roader is a mountain goat. I don't need one of them either.
Peeps always moan about Freelanders using car engines and gearboxes. They're probably not old enough to remember the original tratter doing the same.
To answer yer original question: Freelanders do what they do and do it well. For the majority 4x4 or big vehicle user, a Freelander is more than capable of doing what they need.
Yer'll get fatter
On the occasions I've been at pay and play sites disco's have sat there and watched jap motors recover ma Hippo. So they're either lazy, snobs or worried the recovery may rip the back end oft their disco.
Or gaylanderer owners postin int discovery sexshun cryin like mardy tarts desperately tryin ter justify their homosexuality.
It's ok, tis widely accepted these days,
But there's still gonna be pìss take.
Get over it, wipe yer tears, and yer botty
Join twitter an ask Elton John fer some advise.
Parrently bitin on a stick helps. Av seen em do it int movies when they get shot in the arse.
With a bullet though.
But yer get the idea
Hippo
Lord Hippo
Another banter fred destroyed with yer fascination of bums and bumming.Or gaylanderer owners postin int discovery sexshun cryin like mardy tarts desperately tryin ter justify their homosexuality.
It's ok, tis widely accepted these days,
But there's still gonna be pìss take.
Get over it, wipe yer tears, and yer botty
Join twitter an ask Elton John fer some advise.
Parrently bitin on a stick helps. Av seen em do it int movies when they get shot in the arse.
With a bullet though.
But yer get the idea
Madman2Swords
Well-Known Member
Now I'm LarfingOr gaylanderer owners postin int discovery sexshun cryin like mardy tarts desperately tryin ter justify their homosexuality.
It's ok, tis widely accepted these days,
But there's still gonna be pìss take.
Get over it, wipe yer tears, and yer botty
Join twitter an ask Elton John fer some advise.
Parrently bitin on a stick helps. Av seen em do it int movies when they get shot in the arse.
With a bullet though.
But yer get the idea
i used to work for a Rover dealership during the BMW ownership Freelander was originally meant as a Rover family car but BMW wanted as a small 4x4 so they were to blame for the cockup with Freelander 1. I don't class freelander 1 as proper land rover as it wasn't originally designed tobe a land rover. but freelander 2 totally different that was meant tobe a land rover
i thought it was designed as a distraction vehicle for when rhinos charged the proper defenders
brianconwy
Well-Known Member
If we didn't need to tow a horse box or the caravan then we wouldn't need a 4x4 at all. But if we did want one for going off road then we would want one that was truly capable. Why would I want to get a freelander as opposed to a modeo estate for instance? There are plenty of people out there who do want 4x4s with little off-road capability. Perhaps they live in rural areas where all wheel drive is needed or just like to drive something that might suggest they have an interesting outdoor lifestyle.
Hippo
Lord Hippo
The origin of what became the Freelander 1 started long before BWM owned Rover/LR. Around 88/89 Rover were looking to design a larger vehicle to add to their current range. Something the size of a people carrier. Rover could see peeps were looking to buy larger vehicles so it made sense to add one to their own range. Especially when LR were making them already. LR's sales were reasonably stable with growth most years. LR vehicles sold at a higher percentage profit when compared to Rover cars. Rover wanted a piece of this for themselves. In the background LR developed the Discovery 1. The RR was moving more up market and they had plans to do the same to the Discovery 1. This would leave a gap in the market. LR could see a further gap next to it which spanned lower down the market where there was new space for another vehicle. Queue the A Team music.
Rover and LR worked on some joint thinking as well as coming up with their own ideas. LR were already starting to think about the future and lighter weight vehicles. Some of the prototypes still eggsist today. Honda had already worked with Rover on projects including engine, gearbox's and vehicle design. Honda backed away from the new baby 4x4 project. Now I should note ere this wasn't in anyway an underhand tactic. It probably had nothing to do with them coming out with the CRV not that many years later.
Both Rover and LR had their own ideas on what they wanted from the new vehicle. Both wanted a 4x4 and both came up with their designs. Some more thinking was done and LR was given the opportunity to continue with the project. The project team was strengthened and further development committed. Rover were miffed at this but the financials favored LR as the manufacturer/seller. A vehicle designed, built and badged as a LR could be sold for a higher price as opposed to one with Rover on it. Also the new baby 4x4 fitted in the partial gap made by the Discovery 1 moving further up market as well as filling the new gap opening up in the SUV sector lower down. Jap rivals were on the way to fill the gap anorl. It's a fair argument to say the SUV market was created by manufacturers wanting to make and sell them as opposed to demand from the public making the manufacturers react to what they wanted to buy. Either way the new segment was born'd and rival manufacturers brought out their own vehicles to help fill it.
The design progressed for the Freelander 1 and things were doing ok. Only problem was LR (also Rover) were a bit short of cash for development. It was always stated Rover/LR were sold to BAE as the government didn't want to invest in them and there was an eggspectation the er erm well let's just say the doors might have fallen oft both companies. The new RR was well underway in development but they still needed more money.
BMW turning up in 94 was kind of handy. They were cash rich and prepared to invest. Whenever yer buy a company yer first look at the books, then the future. In this case the future was development of future and eggsisting models. They looked at what had been done on the Freelander 1 and allowed it to continue. History tells us BMW gave full support for the new project and helped it develop with their financial support. BMW and LR worked together and further improvements were made. BMW wanted to aim the Freelander 1 towards the higher end of the SUV market. The Freelander 1 was born and sales surpassed eggspected targets. The same happened when the original tratter was born'd. Sales took oft betterer than eggspected and it also used engines and gearboxes from Rovers cars.
The Freelander 2 is a totally different vehicle to the Freelander 1. BMW pushed LR forwards and increased its model range (market coverage) which is something Ford were keen to do when they turned up in 2000. It didn't take long for Ford to continue this strategy. Both BMW and Ford had similar strategy in their own line ups. One of the first things Ford did was start the ball rolling on the Freelander 2 design.
