The diff only ploughs through mud when the tyres are still in contact with the ground. However, in deep rutty lanes in Wiltshire the diff grounds and the tyres are just hanging! Also in Devon on sandstone i have charged at a steep rutty lane and got stranded balancing on the diff. If you have not got stuck on your diff on a stock set up when green landing you aren’t playing hard enough! (or you’re a much better driver… which i’m not pretending for a moment to be a greatly difficult feat!)
Taller tyres will help, see my first post in this thread.

However, unless I had lots of money to get a really good EAS setup and suitable spares with me. I'd personally not want to run much larger tyres on EAS. As you are always on borrowed time until it all comes crashing down. Which could cause significant hassle depending on where you are.
 
Here in BC we are mostly driving on old logging or mining roads, gravel to loose rock. Occasionally have to cross areas of dirt with ruts but usually can straddle them. It sounds like some of your ares need some road work. You can't just keep lifting the vehicle indefinitely as the ruts get deeper and deeper. Even a Pinzguer has its limits.
TBH it should be rare that this is an issue on a green lane.

Some are maintained better than others, but they all form part of the Queen's Highway and road network.

I've laned in a few places (locally in the home counties), Wiltshire and a lot in Wales. Only a couple of times has there been deep ruts that might cause an issue.

But 95% of the time, a standard Freelander 1 on AT's should be more than sufficient.

What does happen, some morons drive where they shouldn't (i.e. on private land or restricted access land, often next to the lanes). This often gets very cut up and often results in the lanes being closed permanently. :(

However, some lanes are often narrow, so you do have to drive in the same place as other vehicles. And Land Rover's are probably the most common off road vehicle in the UK. Most of which will be running something like a 7.50 x 16 or 235/85R16 tyre. Which are about 31-32" tall. So a standard p38 on 29" tall tyres might struggle if the ground is soft and has deep ruts.

Most lanes are like this:
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m8M4OCbl.jpg


This is about as 'extreme' as they get:
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Some are narrow:
Iv949D6l.jpg

uNNsKQEl.jpg


And occasionally deep ruts:
rHZd9Gbl.jpg


Or worse, narrow and hidden deep ruts:
DMcfJ2Yl.jpg
 
TBH it should be rare that this is an issue on a green lane.

Some are maintained better than others, but they all form part of the Queen's Highway and road network.

I've laned in a few places (locally in the home counties), Wiltshire and a lot in Wales. Only a couple of times has there been deep ruts that might cause an issue.

But 95% of the time, a standard Freelander 1 on AT's should be more than sufficient.

What does happen, some morons drive where they shouldn't (i.e. on private land or restricted access land, often next to the lanes). This often gets very cut up and often results in the lanes being closed permanently. :(

However, some lanes are often narrow, so you do have to drive in the same place as other vehicles. And Land Rover's are probably the most common off road vehicle in the UK. Most of which will be running something like a 7.50 x 16 or 235/85R16 tyre. Which are about 31-32" tall. So a standard p38 on 29" tall tyres might struggle if the ground is soft and has deep ruts.

Most lanes are like this:
eagwhVll.jpg

m8M4OCbl.jpg


This is about as 'extreme' as they get:
0NHrqGal.jpg


Some are narrow:
Iv949D6l.jpg

uNNsKQEl.jpg


And occasionally deep ruts:
rHZd9Gbl.jpg


Or worse, narrow and hidden deep ruts:
DMcfJ2Yl.jpg

Loads of lanes around Rutland. Very pretty too. Some are seriously scratchy though and one or 2 had some really deep ruts last time I was up there. Fortunately there was enough room for me to go round but a Defender tried to go through and was left with all 4 wheels dangling!

Salisbury Plain has its own clay issues.
 
Loads of lanes around Rutland. Very pretty too. Some are seriously scratchy though and one or 2 had some really deep ruts last time I was up there. Fortunately there was enough room for me to go round but a Defender tried to go through and was left with all 4 wheels dangling!

Salisbury Plain has its own clay issues.
I think Salisbury Plain is mostly fine as long as you stay 'on-piste' as it were. We went there a couple of years ago. I admit it was dry, but you could have driven nearly all of it in a Metro!
 
Only in the UK does a sofa and off-roading go together.
I think Salisbury Plain is mostly fine as long as you stay 'on-piste' as it were. We went there a couple of years ago. I admit it was dry, but you could have driven nearly all of it in a Metro!
That is the massive difference, Salisbury Plain - my local play zone - is nothing in the dry, just dirt tracks and sine slightly rutted tracks. However, go in autumn/winter after plenty of rain and you are in a completely different environment! Stick to the tracks - that's really important - both because the lane is the highway and the Plain is a protected so don't abuse it - but also because off you go off piste you may get blown up by unexploded ordnance AND you mat get seriously stuck!
 
TBH it should be rare that this is an issue on a green lane.

Some are maintained better than others, but they all form part of the Queen's Highway and road network.

I've laned in a few places (locally in the home counties), Wiltshire and a lot in Wales. Only a couple of times has there been deep ruts that might cause an issue.

But 95% of the time, a standard Freelander 1 on AT's should be more than sufficient.

What does happen, some morons drive where they shouldn't (i.e. on private land or restricted access land, often next to the lanes). This often gets very cut up and often results in the lanes being closed permanently. :(

However, some lanes are often narrow, so you do have to drive in the same place as other vehicles. And Land Rover's are probably the most common off road vehicle in the UK. Most of which will be running something like a 7.50 x 16 or 235/85R16 tyre. Which are about 31-32" tall. So a standard p38 on 29" tall tyres might struggle if the ground is soft and has deep ruts.

Most lanes are like this:
eagwhVll.jpg

m8M4OCbl.jpg


This is about as 'extreme' as they get:
0NHrqGal.jpg


Some are narrow:
Iv949D6l.jpg

uNNsKQEl.jpg


And occasionally deep ruts:
rHZd9Gbl.jpg


Or worse, narrow and hidden deep ruts:
DMcfJ2Yl.jpg
I'm not sure that I would agree that this is as extreme as it gets though.
Try these for size.
Salisbury when its dry;
Dry Plain.png



Then it is muddy - this poor fool went the hard way - not one of our party and three of us daisy chained could not pull him out. Had to leave him until the Army recovered him the next day!
Mud.png


Then there are really wet bits;

Wet Plain.jpeg


Then there is Wales;
Wading.png


and of course - some inclines;

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I'm not sure that I would agree that this is as extreme as it gets though.
Try these for size.
Salisbury when its dry;
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Then it is muddy - this poor fool went the hard way - not one of our party and three of us daisy chained could not pull him out. Had to leave him until the Army recovered him the next day!
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Then there are really wet bits;

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Then there is Wales;
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and of course - some inclines;

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No wonder you had trouble with your radiator blocking up with drying mud,if my memory is correct.:eek:;):D
 
I'm not sure that I would agree that this is as extreme as it gets though.
Try these for size.
Salisbury when its dry;
View attachment 250762


Then it is muddy - this poor fool went the hard way - not one of our party and three of us daisy chained could not pull him out. Had to leave him until the Army recovered him the next day!
View attachment 250763

Then there are really wet bits;

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Then there is Wales;
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and of course - some inclines;

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Wales I've done quite a bit of. Deep water is deep water, but you can get that on a ford with a paved road. As you are clearly in what looks like a standard p38, I'd counter and say that it can't be all that extreme....

Although I do understand not all vehicles will like deep water.

The wet bits in Salisbury. It isn't possible to say if you are on the actual lane or or near by land. The big puddle I suspect probably wasn't really on the physical path of the lane, as the area is quite open.

One could also suggest, that if a lane is as wet as in your second picture, you probably shouldn't be driving it in that condition. :)

"Weather – do not travel on PROW during or following periods of extreme wet weather as they risk being damaged beyond a point of natural recovery. "

Ref: https://assets.publishing.service.g...g_Practice_Guide_2020_Version__Web_-FINAL.pdf
 
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And the self levelling feature - much more comfortable when on steeply banked tracks.
Not sure I follow 100%.

It will self level to compensate for suspension squat, i.e. being loaded. But it can't self level to cater for terrain pitch. Maybe I misunderstood?
 
Not sure I follow 100%.

It will self level to compensate for suspension squat, i.e. being loaded. But it can't self level to cater for terrain pitch. Maybe I misunderstood?
No, you understand correctly. It does compensate for terrain pitch. Not while you are actually driving, but if you come to a halt on uneven ground then after a while it self-levels, which is a lot more comfortable than sitting at an acute angle!
 
Wales I've done quite a bit of. Deep water is deep water, but you can get that on a ford with a paved road. As you are clearly in what looks like a standard p38, I'd counter and say that it can't be all that extreme....

Although I do understand not all vehicles will like deep water.

The wet bits in Salisbury. It isn't possible to say if you are on the actual lane or or near by land. The big puddle I suspect probably wasn't really on the physical path of the lane, as the area is quite open.

One could also suggest, that if a lane is as wet as in your second picture, you probably shouldn't be driving it in that condition. :)

"Weather – do not travel on PROW during or following periods of extreme wet weather as they risk being damaged beyond a point of natural recovery. "

Ref: https://assets.publishing.service.g...g_Practice_Guide_2020_Version__Web_-FINAL.pdf
Yes, and No.

Yes, it was a standard `p38, but they are capable of some pretty extreme activities. However, I have published static photos, the impact of some of that activity does not bode well for regular driving. For example, when wading that deep water got into the air filter box and I was very lucky it did not get into the engine. Snorkel mod’ added for future protection. The same wading sheared the fan blades into the radiator causing it to explode later in the day. @Datatek provided a very useful mod for that so now i don’t have a fan, I use the air on fans on a switch that enables me to turn them off when wading.
I have got stuck on the diff on some lanes, especially on Salisbury Plain and had to be towed out. This is embarrassing and caused by following military vehicles, defenders and disco’s all of which have higher diff’s and make deeper ruts than the low slung p38 can manage, hence the lift. I have had no problem doing the same lanes in my L322 - but it is a full 3” higher ground clearance than the p38.

It is no fun driving the Plain in the dry, it comes alive in the wet. But you have to be sensible. Both of the muddy/wet pictures were taken on a proper lane, on the route of the lane, but sometimes they can be wide and you have some discretion as precisely which route through a mud hole you take. In the first picture the idiot in the disco, who was by himself, deliberately chose the deepest and most difficult and paid the price. I did not take that risk and the route i took, though fun, proved to passable safely.
 

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