ukadamwest
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Was that called for !
ukadamwest
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Get yourself a diesel, you know it makes sense. No daft LPG to negotiate.
True.. true...
But it's not a V8
ukadamwest
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I'm probably just being grumpy today..
The thing is.. I don't know what I would replace it with.. a Sport ? Another P38...
Then I'm back to having to redo everything I've done so far but on another RR.
If I win the lottery I'll put the P38 in for a full restoration.
The thing is.. I don't know what I would replace it with.. a Sport ? Another P38...
Then I'm back to having to redo everything I've done so far but on another RR.
If I win the lottery I'll put the P38 in for a full restoration.
True but a lot more reliable.
Marty has done a few. Not sure what he charges. MrGorsky did indeed do his. What a fun weekend that was!
martyuk
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I've done a fair few now, and the total usually comes to around £300 - that's everything included - Audi matrix, pipes, clamps, a recon heater box with the flaps freed up and lubed, new foam on the top of the heater box, retaping the ducts, all the labour - and on the last one a replacement blend motor, as one was faulty and it's not worth going back in a second time to re-do it.
You don't have to take any of the wood trim out to get the top of the dash off. (it is actually proper walnut... yes, a thin veneer on a metal backing, but all of the actual LR pieces of wood, were genuine wood - not some fake stuff.) Usually when you try and pry the wood cappings off, either it bends the metal backing/cracks the wood/lacquer or pulls the metal pins out, but you can get the dash off without touching them.
The passenger side one is listed as having to come off to get the passenger air bag out - but with a couple of trim tools, and the bolts from the airbag removed, you can actually get the airbag out with a bit of persuasion, and without damaging anything. On refit, the trim tools just help get the lugs on the front of the airbag unit back past the trim and it will slot back in and bolt up.
The only thing on ones I do that gets cut is the supports to the face air ducts behind the airbag on passenger side, and behind instrument cluster on the drivers side - these are held in with one screw and were obviously installed before the dash was mounted in the factory - cutting these supports gets the duct out and gives access to the bolts that secure the top of the dash to the frame. On reassembly, the sliding joint, and duct tape (also hand to seal up the joins, it's amazing how much more air you get out afterwards!) are sufficient to hold the duct in place.
If you decide to go that route as a DIY, then I can supply audi heater core kits - and also can help with advice/pictures etc of the process when I've done it before.
You don't have to take any of the wood trim out to get the top of the dash off. (it is actually proper walnut... yes, a thin veneer on a metal backing, but all of the actual LR pieces of wood, were genuine wood - not some fake stuff.) Usually when you try and pry the wood cappings off, either it bends the metal backing/cracks the wood/lacquer or pulls the metal pins out, but you can get the dash off without touching them.
The passenger side one is listed as having to come off to get the passenger air bag out - but with a couple of trim tools, and the bolts from the airbag removed, you can actually get the airbag out with a bit of persuasion, and without damaging anything. On refit, the trim tools just help get the lugs on the front of the airbag unit back past the trim and it will slot back in and bolt up.
The only thing on ones I do that gets cut is the supports to the face air ducts behind the airbag on passenger side, and behind instrument cluster on the drivers side - these are held in with one screw and were obviously installed before the dash was mounted in the factory - cutting these supports gets the duct out and gives access to the bolts that secure the top of the dash to the frame. On reassembly, the sliding joint, and duct tape (also hand to seal up the joins, it's amazing how much more air you get out afterwards!) are sufficient to hold the duct in place.
If you decide to go that route as a DIY, then I can supply audi heater core kits - and also can help with advice/pictures etc of the process when I've done it before.
biketeacherdave
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Phew Adam iv read the whole thread now glad you sorted it, it makes perfect sense that the LPG pipes at the back were putting stress on the heater matrix pipes. Was just about to see what Saturday I had free to come down and help restore your faith in the old girl.
ukadamwest
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The thing is marty it's time the little one is coming up to 6 months old and I've hardly spent a weekend with her. Its been sorts cars out. Selling, buying sorting RR's out house hunting etc etc.. I just feel I'm missing out...
I'm sort of interested though.. I down tools for baby's bath time I'll see how it finishes off tomorrow.
ukadamwest
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Dave.. I'm really touche'd thank you.
Were you talking about the RR or the wife?
martyuk
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Yeah, the dash out, swap back in takes a couple of days to do it methodically - if you DIY it. The last one I did, the owner dropped it off to me, I dropped him off at the train station, and then picked him up again when it was all done and he came to pick it up.
You could probably do it in a day (I have before) if you have someone there helping. Take pictures on the disassembly to make sure wiring looms etc all go back in the proper routing!
You could probably do it in a day (I have before) if you have someone there helping. Take pictures on the disassembly to make sure wiring looms etc all go back in the proper routing!
I used old dinner forks to prise that bit of wood trim off. One at each end, and one in the middle. I got it off no problems with no cracks.
The Audi heater matrix is the best mod I've done to mine! It's a biggish job, but once done provides amazing tranquillity,
The Audi heater matrix is the best mod I've done to mine! It's a biggish job, but once done provides amazing tranquillity,
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ukadamwest
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How does it sound?
Thank you!
ukadamwest
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Yet another weekend with my head in RR's..
I'm tired... tired of it... Marty is going to do the Audi heater matrix swap for me mid June. To make the RR usable a simple case of a bit of hose to bypass the heater matrix.. simple enough...
No. The feed and return don't have the space to loop heater hose around without the hose kinking and stopping coolant flow.
Im at the point i would seriously scrap it if it wasn't needed so much
I'm tired... tired of it... Marty is going to do the Audi heater matrix swap for me mid June. To make the RR usable a simple case of a bit of hose to bypass the heater matrix.. simple enough...
No. The feed and return don't have the space to loop heater hose around without the hose kinking and stopping coolant flow.
Im at the point i would seriously scrap it if it wasn't needed so much
martyuk
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Do you have LPG on it? (I can't remember if you mentioned if you did or not)
If so, then you should (maybe with a couple of fittings) be able to plumb it so the LPG vapouriser is inline with the feed/return, instead of 'T' off it.
If you don't have LPG, then I've seen it done with a bendy spring inside the rubber pipe, so it doesn't kink.. Only a couple of weeks until I'm back, and I'll get it sorted for you!
If so, then you should (maybe with a couple of fittings) be able to plumb it so the LPG vapouriser is inline with the feed/return, instead of 'T' off it.
If you don't have LPG, then I've seen it done with a bendy spring inside the rubber pipe, so it doesn't kink.. Only a couple of weeks until I'm back, and I'll get it sorted for you!
ukadamwest
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Yes its lpg but the t pieces are by the feed and return
martyuk
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You can probably get away with just looping the hose then, even if it kinks, as if your LPG system is T'd off the feed and return, then the vapouriser is still going to be flowing coolant that will then end up in the bypass/return feed. I'd be more worried if you didn't have LPG and bypassing then caused NO return coolant feed, or limited if the hose was kinked, but if the vapouriser will still be taking a flow feed, and then feeding back into the return, then you should be OK for a couple of weeks.
