Also, given the amount of sunflower oil made in Ukraine and Russia, not to mention grain, they should be growing food and not plants to shove in yer tank!
A lot of the ethanol added to petrol is made from Maize, grown in many places, including the US and Britain.
I doubt it has any environmental benefits as opposed to just burning real petrol in the first place, and the maize also takes up a lot of land that could be used to grow food for humans.
 
Much electricity is generated world wide by external combustion, very inefficient.

The UK had about 50% renewable electricity generation now, and that's increasing daily.

Industrial power generation from gas is actually very efficient, over 90% efficient, which is some 40% more efficient than the most efficient diesel internal combustion engine. ;)
A new EV will do the equivalent of 130 MPG or more, so they are way more efficient than an equivalent ICE vehicle.
A VW ID3 is carbon neutral at 30k miles, an equivalent diesel VW Golf will never be carbon neutral, as it's only capable of burning fossil fuel.
A VW ID3 can be run on 100% renewable electricity, a diesel car can't so which is greener?

The battery argument is irrelevant, as new EV batteries will last 20 years or more, and there's no shortage of lithium for them anyway, the sea has billions of tonnes of easy to access lithium, more than enough for hundreds of billions of EV batteries. Cobalt is being fazed out of battery production, but the point is mute anyway, as the oil industry uses huge quantities of Cobalt in the production of fossil fuels.
The fossil fuel industry is also responsible for more damage to the natural environment than any other industry, yet nobody seems to care about the damage to huge areas of land destroyed oil exploration or polluted by oil spills, or how about the millions of tonnes of oil spilled into the ocean every year.
Environmental damage caused by electric vehicle production pails into insignificance by comparison to the destruction that the oil industry creates in its wake.

There's no way around it, going electric is a greener choice, it's just not a cheap choice, at least not at the moment.
 
The UK had about 50% renewable electricity generation now, and that's increasing daily.

Industrial power generation from gas is actually very efficient, over 90% efficient, which is some 40% more efficient than the most efficient diesel internal combustion engine. ;)
A new EV will do the equivalent of 130 MPG or more, so they are way more efficient than an equivalent ICE vehicle.
A VW ID3 is carbon neutral at 30k miles, an equivalent diesel VW Golf will never be carbon neutral, as it's only capable of burning fossil fuel.
A VW ID3 can be run on 100% renewable electricity, a diesel car can't so which is greener?

The battery argument is irrelevant, as new EV batteries will last 20 years or more, and there's no shortage of lithium for them anyway, the sea has billions of tonnes of easy to access lithium, more than enough for hundreds of billions of EV batteries. Cobalt is being fazed out of battery production, but the point is mute anyway, as the oil industry uses huge quantities of Cobalt in the production of fossil fuels.
The fossil fuel industry is also responsible for more damage to the natural environment than any other industry, yet nobody seems to care about the damage to huge areas of land destroyed oil exploration or polluted by oil spills, or how about the millions of tonnes of oil spilled into the ocean every year.
Environmental damage caused by electric vehicle production pails into insignificance by comparison to the destruction that the oil industry creates in its wake.

There's no way around it, going electric is a greener choice, it's just not a cheap choice, at least not at the moment.
To be fair do the sums
A electric car golf size does about 7.5 km per kw
A dev golf will use about 5 L per 100 km so 20 km per L
Dev has a power of 10 kw per L if you use 30% efficiency that is 3 kw per L
which works out 6.66 km per Kw
fact not bull**** put out by oil companies or people trying to sell electric cars
the electric car is very slightly more efficient
If you really want to be greener leave the car running Dev and turn you gas boiler to electric
 
Ignoring the potential cost, what size motor & how many batteries would I need if one day I wanted to convert my 4.6 GEMS to full EV ? Assume it needs 300 to 350 mile range !!
 
The UK had about 50% renewable electricity generation now, and that's increasing daily.

Industrial power generation from gas is actually very efficient, over 90% efficient, which is some 40% more efficient than the most efficient diesel internal combustion engine. ;)
A new EV will do the equivalent of 130 MPG or more, so they are way more efficient than an equivalent ICE vehicle.
A VW ID3 is carbon neutral at 30k miles, an equivalent diesel VW Golf will never be carbon neutral, as it's only capable of burning fossil fuel.
A VW ID3 can be run on 100% renewable electricity, a diesel car can't so which is greener?

The battery argument is irrelevant, as new EV batteries will last 20 years or more, and there's no shortage of lithium for them anyway, the sea has billions of tonnes of easy to access lithium, more than enough for hundreds of billions of EV batteries. Cobalt is being fazed out of battery production, but the point is mute anyway, as the oil industry uses huge quantities of Cobalt in the production of fossil fuels.
The fossil fuel industry is also responsible for more damage to the natural environment than any other industry, yet nobody seems to care about the damage to huge areas of land destroyed oil exploration or polluted by oil spills, or how about the millions of tonnes of oil spilled into the ocean every year.
Environmental damage caused by electric vehicle production pails into insignificance by comparison to the destruction that the oil industry creates in its wake.

There's no way around it, going electric is a greener choice, it's just not a cheap choice, at least not at the moment.
When quoting efficiency, you need to take into account UHT transmission line losses which can be considerable, step up/step down transformer losses and for BEV's rectification losses to charge the battery and then inverter losses to drive the motor which is AC.
Renewables share of electricity generation was 35.9 per cent in Quarter 3 2021 and is wind/weather dependent.
Batteries are already being reported as losing a high percentage of capacity.
How much energy would be required to produce Lithium from sea water?
 
When quoting efficiency, you need to take into account UHT transmission line losses which can be considerable, step up/step down transformer losses and for BEV's rectification losses to charge the battery and then inverter losses to drive the motor which is AC.
Renewables share of electricity generation was 35.9 per cent in Quarter 3 2021 and is wind/weather dependent.
Batteries are already being reported as losing a high percentage of capacity.
How much energy would be required to produce Lithium from sea water?
A lot of renewably generated electricity doesn't actually go into the UHT network, because the power sources tend to be smaller and more widely distributed geographically, the power can be distributed direct to the charging points on the 11Kva three phase lines.

Lithium can be mined as well as extracted from sea water, and there is actually quite a bit in Devon and Cornwall.
 
When quoting efficiency, you need to take into account UHT transmission line losses which can be considerable, step up/step down transformer losses and for BEV's rectification losses to charge the battery and then inverter losses to drive the motor which is AC.
Renewables share of electricity generation was 35.9 per cent in Quarter 3 2021 and is wind/weather dependent.
Batteries are already being reported as losing a high percentage of capacity.
How much energy would be required to produce Lithium from sea water?

iirc the problem is the volume that has to be processed and of course sea-water is very corrosive to any iron.

I'm fairly sure there are some test plants running but I don't think there are any full-scale facilities because it just isn't economic compared to the stuff from South America.
 
A lot of renewably generated electricity doesn't actually go into the UHT network, because the power sources tend to be smaller and more widely distributed geographically, the power can be distributed direct to the charging points on the 11Kva three phase lines.

Lithium can be mined as well as extracted from sea water, and there is actually quite a bit in Devon and Cornwall.
There are still transmission line losses and transformer losses.
I have no idea, but according to the internet, renewable electricity does go into the national grid.
 
iirc the problem is the volume that has to be processed and of course sea-water is very corrosive to any iron.

The use of sea derived Lithium was simply an example that there's no shortage of it, its actually the 33rd most abundant element on earth.
I don't think there are any full-scale facilities because it just isn't economic compared to the stuff from South America.

Australia currently supplies 51% of the world's lithium, Chile, China and Argentina are miles behind in production of Lithium. ;)
 
There are still transmission line losses and transformer losses.
I have no idea, but according to the internet, renewable electricity does go into the national grid.
There are, and it does. But not to nearly such a great extent as with the old style centralised generation.

I don't need to look at it on the internet. I know what happens because it is my work.
I am a renewable generator, both to earn money(wind), and for my own use on the boat(solar).
In addition, at least 3 of my close friends work for the DNO.
 
Do you have some actual evidence that E85 is corrosive to the P38 fuel system or is this just your opinion? I have seen posts on the French language Range Rover forum from guys who have done 20,000km with no ill effects.
I'll take your silence to mean "No" then.
 
There are, and it does. But not to nearly such a great extent as with the old style centralised generation.

I don't need to look at it on the internet. I know what happens because it is my work.
I am a renewable generator, both to earn money(wind), and for my own use on the boat(solar).
In addition, at least 3 of my close friends work for the DNO.
Fair enough. I use solar for battery charging and in the past on my boat, too expensive since Chinese imports were stopped to put it on the house. I have room for about 9Kw.
 
When quoting efficiency, you need to take into account UHT transmission line losses which can be considerable, step up/step down transformer losses and for BEV's rectification losses to charge the battery and then inverter losses to drive the motor which is AC.
Renewables share of electricity generation was 35.9 per cent in Quarter 3 2021 and is wind/weather dependent

Most energy from renewables aren't transmitted long distances on power lines. They tend to use solar and wind close to where it's generated, minimising transmission losses.
But as renewable energy doesn't produce CO2, loosing a small amount in transmission lines isn't costing the planet anything really.

Which EVs have lost battery capacity? Early Nissan Leafs did, but the battery technology, cooling and management systems are much more advanced now, so reducing capacity loss over time.
 
I'll take your silence to mean "No" then.
Question, corrosion is I presume related to Ethanol being hygroscopic? In which case it would not affect modern plastic fuel lines and tanks.
I'm more interested on the possible effects of Ethanol on some types of plastic.
 
Do you have some actual evidence that E85 is corrosive to the P38 fuel system or is this just your opinion? I have seen posts on the French language Range Rover forum from guys who have done 20,000km with no ill effects.
Not on the P38, but I've seen plenty of evidence of ethanol corrosion on other similarly unsuitable engines, and this is on E10.
E85 is much more corrosive than E10, but it's your engine, so you do to it as you will, if it were mine, I'd not use a fuel that has a potential to damage expensive or hard to find components.
 
Most energy from renewables aren't transmitted long distances on power lines. They tend to use solar and wind close to where it's generated, minimising transmission losses.
But as renewable energy doesn't produce CO2, loosing a small amount in transmission lines isn't costing the planet anything really.

Which EVs have lost battery capacity? Early Nissan Leafs did, but the battery technology, cooling and management systems are much more advanced now, so reducing capacity loss over time.
Are you telling me that North Sea wind farms do not feed into the national grid?
Nissan Leaf and I have seen some stuff on Tesla batteries. Like all batteries, type of use, charge discharge profile and manufacturing quality will affect battery life. I see some manufacturers suggest that their batteries should never be discharged below 20% or charged above 80% to ensure long life.
 
Not on the P38, but I've seen plenty of evidence of ethanol corrosion on other similarly unsuitable engines, and this is on E10.
E85 is much more corrosive than E10, but it's your engine, so you do to it as you will, if it were mine, I'd not use a fuel that has a potential to damage expensive or hard to find components.
No, I have no intention of using it, just curious. I have no choice but to run my ancient MR2 on petrol with 5% Ethanol, but Cleveland Discol caused no problems to any of our vehicles in the past. Of course much has changed since my youth in metallurgy and the use of plastics in vehicles not to mention performance. Fortunately all my other vehicles are diesels.
 

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