Okay, thanks Stanley & also for the link you posted, got axle stands coming today from halfords as I only previously had 2 bottle jacks on gravel/mud which made me too nervous to get under the car, had to go to the industrial estate locally after hours to get under the car, also got some boat grease coming so will grease up the u-joint on the prop shaft once I've finished checking the cv joints on the wheels, not sure if that will help was just going to try it.