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tonybirch

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Hi all
I've not been on here in ages due to work commitments, which have meant the p38 not been used as much so hasn't had chance to breakdown.
I'm considering buying a later model rangie probaly no later than 2005.
The question is are they the money pit that the p38 is. What's to look out for on them.
 
More problems, more complex, harder & more expensive to fix. Gearboxes made from cheese for starters, suspension bushes also made of cheese, many electronic problems, look at some of Saint.V8's recent posts.
 
Cheers Data, sigh so is it another new engine for the p38 and some TLC? Why carnt we build cars like the Germans.
 
Can't argue with that....they are a complex machine, heck I still haven't figured out my diagnostic system failure yet!!

Oh and the 2002-2005 L322 is basically a BMW !!!
 
Anything L322 after 2006 is better than the early German ones. Still a far more complex motor than the P38 and lots to go wrong. They will be a bloody nightmare when they get a little older. Don't think there will be anything like the S/H market that the P38 has enjoyed, they are just to complicated and expensive to repair for the average Joe. :D:D:D
 
wammers said:
Don't think there will be anything like the S/H market that the P38 has enjoyed, they are just to complicated and expensive to repair for the average Joe. :D:D:D
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But that's just the point that escapes many. No Range Rover, regardless of the model, was designed to be sold to the 'average Joe'
Once they are out of warranty & have fallen victim to horrendous depreciation, just one expensive repair can write them off financially. That's how the likes of JLR thrive, design/build/sell vehicles that the wealthy want, assume a responsibility for the product for just three years, make more profit selling expensive parts henceforth then flog the aforesaid toffs another new one & start the cycle all over again :rolleyes:
 
norseman said:
But that's just the point that escapes many. No Range Rover, regardless of the model, was designed to be sold to the 'average Joe'
Once they are out of warranty & have fallen victim to horrendous depreciation, just one expensive repair can write them off financially. That's how the likes of JLR thrive, design/build/sell vehicles that the wealthy want, assume a responsibility for the product for just three years, make more profit selling expensive parts henceforth then flog the aforesaid toffs another new one & start the cycle all over again :rolleyes:
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Part of the problem yes, Land rover spares are bloody horrendously priced. Could be described as obscene profiteering. Bet if you built a P38 or L322 from parts it would cost four or five times or more the new price in the show room. 100 amp genuine Denso alternator for the 4.0 litre petrol £117.99. Same thing from Land rover £766.67. Go figure why.
 
tonybirch said:
So whatcha reckon saint the l322 another money pit?
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Early ones can certainly be so.....

I bought mine knowing I would have to shell out for maintenance and repairs, that is par of the course...I paid mid £7.5k for mine 2.5 years ago, and have spent a couple of thou in parts and maintenance.

Early L322's are hit and miss, they are cheap now that wannabes and chavs grab them cheap thinking they will look 'da bomb' rolling down the road in a blinged up L322....only once it needs some work, even just routine maintenance, they ignore it and keep on rolling, cos 'day iz da shizzle in me Range Rover init blood' then it goes wrong, they then sell on cos 'I ain't gotz na moz wanga to frow at dis set of wheelz cuz, deem iz jus 2 expensive 2 maintain, coz I haz 2 buy ma drugz an' pay CSA for me baby mumma init'

There is a lot of abused dross in the market with early L322's....so chose wisely.

As Keith says, they will not enjoy longevity that the Classics and P38A's will that is for sure...they can be abused, unmaintained and in a bad way if they are previously owned by those who truly and really don't appreciate them!
 
Saint.V8 said:
Early ones can certainly be so.....

I bought mine knowing I would have to shell out for maintenance and repairs, that is par of the course...I paid mid £7.5k for mine 2.5 years ago, and have spent a couple of thou in parts and maintenance.

Early L322's are hit and miss, they are cheap now that wannabes and chavs grab them cheap thinking they will look 'da bomb' rolling down the road in a blinged up L322....only once it needs some work, even just routine maintenance, they ignore it and keep on rolling, cos 'day iz da shizzle in me Range Rover init blood' then it goes wrong, they then sell on cos 'I ain't gotz na moz wanga to frow at dis set of wheelz cuz, deem iz jus 2 expensive 2 maintain, coz I haz 2 buy ma drugz an' pay CSA for me baby mumma init'

There is a lot of abused dross in the market with early L322's....so chose wisely.

As Keith says, they will not enjoy longevity that the Classics and P38A's will that is for sure...they can be abused, unmaintained and in a bad way if they are previously owned by those who truly and really don't appreciate them!
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Did Keith say that i must have misread the thread? :D:D
 
wammers said:
Did Keith say that i must have misread the thread? :D:D
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Oh p!ss it, sorry Tony, it was you who mentioned the Second Hand market....my bad, lack of sleep and working with muppets effects the brain!! :eek::eek::eek:
 
In the mid 1980's I did the advertising for a large multi-franchise dealership, one of the franchises was Fiat, the average profit on the sale of a car was about £40, the vast bulk of the profit came from repairs, parts & servicing.

On a quiet day the parts manager - just for fun - totalled the retail price of every part of a midrange Panda. Including paint, etc. down to every last grommet.

This was when the OTR price of said Panda was £5299.

Parts prices came to ......





















£29,546! - and then you have to put it together . . .

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wammers said:
No probs Ant. Hows the little lady?
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She's grand, growing fast....nearly 7 month old now!!

Still not sleeping more than 2 hours at a time at night, so it can get a bit much for my other half at times!!

She is adorable and is a really messy eater (see photos of the usual 'Porridge Face' we get in the mornings!)

God knows where the time goes, so fast!!

Just booked her place at Day Care for the couple of days my partner is going back to work which is at the end of January!
 

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So I've read all the posts with interest.
So the question is, who's replaced a P38 with a L322 and
thought crap wish I ain't done that! Or thought **** now I gotta sell a kidney after their first visit to the garage with it.
 
As if you would go back to a p38 after owning an L322 lol

Two different motors !

You will recieve biased information on here from members who believe their models are best etc..


Best thing for you to do is test drive an L322 and decide for yourself :)
 
tonybirch said:
So I've read all the posts with interest.
So the question is, who's replaced a P38 with a L322 and
thought crap wish I ain't done that! Or thought **** now I gotta sell a kidney after their first visit to the garage with it.
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That would be me then!!!

Read these posts from my first foray with the L322....

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f10/wtf-have-i-done-ive-got-sick-feeling-pit-my-stomach-188753.html

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f10/who-said-good-idea-189246.html

Read my other posts too....I am quite open and honest about my 'issues' with the L322....

I swapped a very decent Diesel P38 for an L322.....I love the car, was it wise...not really, was it a spur decision....yes, Did it breakdown in the first 4 hours....yes, do I regret it....no.

The L322 is a dream to drive and wickedly powerful, I love her....but she is a very expensive girl and needs constant attention!

The girlfriend drives her now as it has the ISOfix mounts for the baby seat, and so I miss her terribly....

Being a Range Rover fan (and a masochist to boot some would say) I went out and bought a rough-round-the-edges P38....only mechanical issue it had was an Oil Leak....replaced front cover, sorted leak but had idle oil pressure issues....replaced Oil pump and it went pearshaped (again read my threads - open and honest, hoping I can help others with my tales of woe!) so know the P38 is waiting for me to change the main and big end bearings this weekend!

I only went back to the P38 cos I couldn't afford another L322....if I could I'd have another any day of the week!

Yes they have frustrated me at times, but that is par for the course with Range Rover ownership.

If you make the jump to an L322....do so wisely and informed...they are complex, expensive to maintain and you WILL need your own diagnostic tools.

As always, the golden rule in Range Rover purchasing....

Never, ever buy a Range Rover with a fault unless you are prepared for and appreciate the potential time, cost and frustration involved in repairing it. A Range Rover is not a conveyance, it is a hobby and a lifestyle choice....if you cannot spanner your own repairs or diagnose your own faults, you will be in for a torrid time. If you can afford a garage, dealer or indy to carryout repairs, maintenance and fault finding and you have a spare car for use on those occasions you may just make it through ownership....

I have two Range Rovers.....but I also have a spare car for just those times, without it any issues would be difficult to deal with.

If the above is OK with you, make the jump you won't regret it....the 2 vehicles are chalk and cheese!
 
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