powerstar7810

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Sorry for the embarrassing rant. I discovered afterwards that the centre diff lock wasn't working but the light was
 
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Go on then... I'll bite (partially)

Can anyone explain to me why Land Rover decided to make the best 4x4xfar only 2wd?
The only 2wd thing I know Land Rover makes is this. The Series I, II, III were 2wd with a selector for 4wd (as far as I know) and permanently in 4wd when in low range.

The Defender is permanent 4x4 (hence why you can't usually test their brakes on a rolling road).

The Range Rovers and Discoveries (including the new ones) are 4x4 as well, although with the new ones it's electrickerly selected.

Have been pulling people out of snow with my v plate 90 td5 and yesterday I tried to pull a Transit tipper (unladen) out of a small drift and it just sat there with the right hand wheels still and the left hand ones spinning.
So where's your concept of 2wd coming from? If both front and back are spinning then it's 4wd and you just don't know how to drive it.

ok my tyres are only camac mud terrains and are not the best. My boss had to pull the transit out with his old Navara. Thats got a standard limited slip diff in the back axle and it pulled it straight out. And it's on road tyres.
Basically it's helping n00bs to drive - the limited slip diff that is. There are techniques for doing this in a Defender.

I've had probably 20 90's over the years and I can't understand why they still have no diff locks when cheap jap pick ups, Land cruisers, Terranos, Jeeps etc have them as standard. Even my lawn mower has a diff lock!
Because most of the time you don't need more than one diff-lock (Defender's do have a diff-lock).

A new basic 90 is the best part of £20k and abs traction control is still extra.
See above...

My mate has a freelander 1 van and a Disco 2 commercial both with traction control and they are both better in the snow by far
No they just make it easier for inexperienced drivers to look better. Same situation with the new vehicles - a complete n00b can look like a pro with the new £85k Range Rover but put him in a Defender and he'll look a prat.

Put an experienced drive in the Range Rover and he'll go far, put him in a Defender and he'll go just as far but for a fraction of the cost.

and you don't need to spend hundreds of pounds putting in diff locks and changing axles to make them that way. Apologies for the rant but yesterday was embarassing !!!! I love Landy's but they could easily be so much better
There's a reason why they're so popular - because they tend to be much better than the others at what they were designed to do - be versatile.

I've seen a Defender drive through knee-deep mud to take the dogs out for a pheasant shoot and then seen that same Defender pull up outside the Park Lane Hotel and not look out of place. Try and do that with a Hilux.
 
We all accept that this guy is a pratt, but peeps DO put lockers in front and rear diffs as well.:bolt:
 
We all accept that this guy is a pratt, but peeps DO put lockers in front and rear diffs as well.:bolt:
Oh I don't deny that - but he was having a go at LR for not putting them in as standard. My argument was that the reason they're not in there is most of the time they're not needed.
 
as said above and in various other freds,agood driver in a **** car will do better than a **** driver in a good car
 

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