Sputnik01

Sputnik01

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Hello, I got a knackered valve on an inner tube which leaked air as fast as I put it in yesterday so I spoke to a couple of tyre places who both muttered with a shape intake of breathe "don't do inner tubes mate". One had a look at the old Goodyear xtra grip I have on there and seemed a bit hesitant about reviving it with all the cracks in it. All five are cracked and I have to concede probably need replacing.

I like the Xtra grips and the Deestones look a direct replacement, BUT, are they any good? is the compound similar or are they harder and slippier in the wet. I'm not expecting sportscar levels of grip on road but are they acceptable/predictable?
Also, can anyone recommend a good quality 7.50x16 inner tube?

Cheers,

Chris
 
Not sure what you are asking exactly.

But whether you need inner tubes or not is mostly down the rim you are using. If it’s not a tubeless rim do NOT run without inner tubes. Very very dangerous.

As for the Deestones. Good at what? What is your intended use? Lots and lots of tyre choices out there. Afraid I’ve not run them so can’t really compare to the Xtra grips. But I admit I like the look of them. But there are probably better road tyres if you aren’t doing much off roading.
 
Funny you mention the BFG AT. Never really been a fan of them myself. Pretty poor road manners for an AT and get out of their depth very quickly in British mud. They don’t look bad and the newer version looks like it should perform better on road.

But they are designed for baked mud and rocks with some sand more so than the terrain we get in the U.K.
 
I run 750x16 deestones on an Austin Champ although I can't comment on the handling they are noisy on the road
 
More off than on road but ATS Euromaster will be doing 5 Avon Rangemasters for me, 7.50 x 16 for £420 fully fitted.
 
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Sputnik01 said:
Hello, I got a knackered valve on an inner tube which leaked air as fast as I put it in yesterday so I spoke to a couple of tyre places who both muttered with a shape intake of breathe "don't do inner tubes mate". One had a look at the old Goodyear xtra grip I have on there and seemed a bit hesitant about reviving it with all the cracks in it. All five are cracked and I have to concede probably need replacing.

I like the Xtra grips and the Deestones look a direct replacement, BUT, are they any good? is the compound similar or are they harder and slippier in the wet. I'm not expecting sportscar levels of grip on road but are they acceptable/predictable?
Also, can anyone recommend a good quality 7.50x16 inner tube?

Cheers,

Chris
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before this post goes off piste on tyres. The advice from that garage is only partly reliable. If you have original wheels that use tubes they are unsafe for tubeless tyres. I'm surprised that the garage advised that unless they are trying to just sell tyres. I'd be surprised that's the case. All the information needed about what speciation options are embossed on the tyres you have fitted: size, speed rating, manufacturered data, speed rating blah blah.
 
I had two points on this really.

The Landy gets used both on and off the road, though I only do about 30 miles a week in it. I have the Goodyear Xtra Grips on there at the moment which I am quite happy with and wouldn't replace if they weren't so cracked. One concern is that they might start stripping bits off if I put them under serious stress off road. The inner tube failing has got me to the point where I may have to do something about it if the tyre fitters are unhappy working on a tyre they consider unsafe. I appreciate that might be sales talk but I need to think about it.

The Deestone looks a direct replacement but I have had tyres that looked almost identical to well know brands but handled less well. The critical point being do they hold the road to a similar standard as the Goodyears, all things being relative.

I have old rims so I will be staying with inner tubes. I was asking about a good inner tube as I'll feel a bit daft getting decent tyres if I can't keep air in them. It did occur to me the other day as I crawled under the truck without axle stands that I was possibly relying on 30 year old tubes to stop the whole lot dropping on me !
 
I buy my inner tubes off e-bay. I don't think they are great - as in I don't recognise the brand, but there is not much choice and I always carry a spare tube as a many tyre places don't seem to stock them.
 
rob1miles said:
I buy my inner tubes off e-bay. I don't think they are great - as in I don't recognise the brand, but there is not much choice and I always carry a spare tube as a many tyre places don't seem to stock them.
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I've been running tubeless tyres ,with no tubes on rivited series rims for a while with no problems, air down off road ,never popped off ,haven't had a flat tyre ever, was always getting flats with tubes because of the quality that is available is no good these days
 
Land Rover inner tubes are a nightmare now, either cheap and nasty or damned expensive and difficult to source. I was faced with this dilemma and decided to go tubeless but I didn't just fit tubeless to tubed rims because I doubt it is safe and very probably illegal as well. Michelin tubes at the time were £25 each and a new Modular rim was £35, (£39 now), so, for an extra £10 per wheel I bought 5 new Modular rims. Only thing against this is if you need to let your tyres right down for grip.
 
If you run a tubeless tyre on a tube type rim you must fit a tube and use a tubeless tyre that the manufacturer confirms can be used with tubes (most can), some tyres say this on the sidewall. Legal situation is that a tubeless tyre can be used on a tubed rim so long as it is designed for this use used in exaclty the same way as a tubed tyre. The reason is that tubeless rims have bead retaining ridges and tubed do not. If you kirb a tubed tyre the bead can momentarily spilt from the rim but the tyre will not delfate becuase the tube keeps the seal, on a tubeless tyre/rim the ridge does the job of holding the bead, but with a tubeless on a tubed rim you get a sudden deflation. It will all be ok until a tyre is slightly low on pressure and you hit a sudden bump, then its curtains and as the leagal situation is clear you can find yourself deep in poo for the cost of 4 inner tubes or modulars. I fitted tubes but I think modulars of Wolfs are the long term solution as you get a wider rim. I should explain why I've posted on this thread; I am a Chartered Engineer and while not my main work, I do occasionaly do vehicle inspections and expert witness work. Statements posted to a Landorver discusion board were used as evidence in a trial that lead to the imprisonment of a driver (I'm sure most know the case, it was very sad) however what it has done is mean that people like me are duty bound to reply honestly when we read something that indicates a dangerous legal breach such as running tubeless tyre on tubed rims. I know this is a bit serious for our fun blogs, but these things can come back and bite.
 
i use crossply indian made MRF trye
 

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sausage said:
I've been running tubeless tyres ,with no tubes on rivited series rims for a while with no problems, air down off road ,never popped off ,haven't had a flat tyre ever, was always getting flats with tubes because of the quality that is available is no good these days
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If you are running tubeless tyres on tubed rims. You obviously have no idea why you shouldn’t be doing this. It’s like playing Russian Roulette and claiming you’ve not shot yourself yet. So therefore must be safe :rolleyes:
 
..if you want to keep it original looking buy a set of defender steel wheels, later one are tubeless. Its what I've done. second hand cheeper than a set of inner tubes
 
300bhp/ton said:
It’s like playing Russian Roulette and claiming you’ve not shot yourself yet. So therefore must be safe :rolleyes:
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There are people who say they have been doing this for years without any issue so I'm afraid I can't agree that the likelihood of an incident is as dramatic as you describe. I appreciate that if it does go wrong the consequences can be tragic (as referred to above), but let's not get carried away. The consequences of crossing the road can be tragic. :)
 
Rubins4 said:
There are people who say they have been doing this for years without any issue so I'm afraid I can't agree that the likelihood of an incident is as dramatic as you describe. I appreciate that if it does go wrong the consequences can be tragic (as referred to above), but let's not get carried away. The consequences of crossing the road can be tragic. :)
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That’s like saying people have run about with their wheelnuts undone.

The mechanics of tubed vs tubeless rims are not complex. The fact some people have got away with it. Is no reason to endorse it. Stupid is stupid regardless.
 
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