But as said basically the same vehicle apart from minor details and of course removing the shit engines
But as said basically the same vehicle apart from minor details and of course removing the shit engines
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Yep, same as a rangie and a disco are basically the same thing, just a slightly different body shape, and a few uprated bits!
Tonym3
Active Member
Just had a quick look to compare the van to the V5 and they all match engine number is 11L 5 numbers then A chassis starts SALLDVAFHA then 6 digits.
Anyone know of a search to check the identity?
I'm not too worried about anything with regards to engine swaps etc.. Just want to make sure I order the right parts
Thanks for all the help
Anyone know of a search to check the identity?
I'm not too worried about anything with regards to engine swaps etc.. Just want to make sure I order the right parts
Thanks for all the help
Turboman
Mab An Gov
FMog
Active Member
@Turboman @wammers
Are you guys still going on about this?
I have a simple solution which will enable you guys to know this in the future without any confusion.
Prior to the Discovery coming along in '89, there were two base brand vehicles produced by Land Rover, they were the Range Rover (also known as the Road Rover) and the Land Rover Utility vehicle (Utility Land Rover), this term covered the entire range of Land Rovers going back to Huey all the way up to the point where the Discovery was thought of - when the Discovery came along they then became a 3 vehicle company, The Land Rover, the Range Rover and the new Land Rover Discovery (which was based off the Range Rover btw), but wait... we can't have people getting confused over the new Land Rover and the old style Land Rover Utility? And let's face it, you were confused just reading all that wasn't you? The clever marketing people over at Land Rover saw the problem, and came up with a solution.
They then decided to create a new name for the old Utility Land Rover, it became re-labeled as the Defender within the Solihull factory, but wasn't officially given this name on a vehicle until early '91 - the reason for the delay (because as you may have noticed, the Discovery was launched in '89) was due to some improvements being made to the next generation Defender, taking on some improvements from both the Range Rover and the Discovery, but yet still keeping that classic ruggedness we know and love (most of us anyway)
So in early '91 the very first commercially produced and badged Defender hit the roads, they were badged as Defender 90 and Defender 110 (to carry on the clear naming from the Land Rover Ninety and Land Rover One-Ten)
We now had a very clear dividing line between the 3 production models and a clear diving line between the historical vehicles (which at that point in time, Land Rover was more about the future than looking back at their past).
So we had:
The reason for the confusion is that the super classic shape of the Land Rover Ninety and Land Rover One-Ten was carried forward, so as the Defender is such an iconic name globally, everyone automatically associates that classic 'Defender' shape to everything going back, right up until you reach the Series 3.
As far as Land Rover is concerned, the Defender hasn't changed much since the first Land Rover utility vehicle to come after the style change away from the Series 3, therefore for simplicity, everything from '83 onwards became tagged as a Defender, although officially there is a defining line in '91 for when the Defender name came about in badges, books and manuals.
For one final touch, in 2007 they dropped the wheelbase number, so the Defender 90 and Defender 110 just simply became known as the Defender, it was no longer badged on the car, although the spaces for the badge remain
Confused?
People who have a 'Defender' produced between late '89 all the way until the officially badged Defender in early '91 are the people who should be most confused though, they are in a weird naming transition period
Are you guys still going on about this?
I have a simple solution which will enable you guys to know this in the future without any confusion.
Prior to the Discovery coming along in '89, there were two base brand vehicles produced by Land Rover, they were the Range Rover (also known as the Road Rover) and the Land Rover Utility vehicle (Utility Land Rover), this term covered the entire range of Land Rovers going back to Huey all the way up to the point where the Discovery was thought of - when the Discovery came along they then became a 3 vehicle company, The Land Rover, the Range Rover and the new Land Rover Discovery (which was based off the Range Rover btw), but wait... we can't have people getting confused over the new Land Rover and the old style Land Rover Utility? And let's face it, you were confused just reading all that wasn't you? The clever marketing people over at Land Rover saw the problem, and came up with a solution.
They then decided to create a new name for the old Utility Land Rover, it became re-labeled as the Defender within the Solihull factory, but wasn't officially given this name on a vehicle until early '91 - the reason for the delay (because as you may have noticed, the Discovery was launched in '89) was due to some improvements being made to the next generation Defender, taking on some improvements from both the Range Rover and the Discovery, but yet still keeping that classic ruggedness we know and love (most of us anyway
)So in early '91 the very first commercially produced and badged Defender hit the roads, they were badged as Defender 90 and Defender 110 (to carry on the clear naming from the Land Rover Ninety and Land Rover One-Ten)
We now had a very clear dividing line between the 3 production models and a clear diving line between the historical vehicles (which at that point in time, Land Rover was more about the future than looking back at their past).
So we had:
- Land Rover Defender
- Land Rover Discovery
- Range Rover
The reason for the confusion is that the super classic shape of the Land Rover Ninety and Land Rover One-Ten was carried forward, so as the Defender is such an iconic name globally, everyone automatically associates that classic 'Defender' shape to everything going back, right up until you reach the Series 3.
As far as Land Rover is concerned, the Defender hasn't changed much since the first Land Rover utility vehicle to come after the style change away from the Series 3, therefore for simplicity, everything from '83 onwards became tagged as a Defender, although officially there is a defining line in '91 for when the Defender name came about in badges, books and manuals.
For one final touch, in 2007 they dropped the wheelbase number, so the Defender 90 and Defender 110 just simply became known as the Defender, it was no longer badged on the car, although the spaces for the badge remain
Confused?
People who have a 'Defender' produced between late '89 all the way until the officially badged Defender in early '91 are the people who should be most confused though, they are in a weird naming transition period
Turboman
Mab An Gov
@Turboman @wammers
Are you guys still going on about this?
I have a simple solution which will enable you guys to know this in the future without any confusion.
Prior to the Discovery coming along in '89, there were two base brand vehicles produced by Land Rover, they were the Range Rover (also known as the Road Rover) and the Land Rover Utility vehicle (Utility Land Rover), this term covered the entire range of Land Rovers going back to Huey all the way up to the point where the Discovery was thought of - when the Discovery came along they then became a 3 vehicle company, The Land Rover, the Range Rover and the new Land Rover Discovery (which was based off the Range Rover btw), but wait... we can't have people getting confused over the new Land Rover and the old style Land Rover Utility? And let's face it, you were confused just reading all that wasn't you? The clever marketing people over at Land Rover saw the problem, and came up with a solution.
They then decided to create a new name for the old Utility Land Rover, it became re-labeled as the Defender within the Solihull factory, but wasn't officially given this name on a vehicle until early '91 - the reason for the delay (because as you may have noticed, the Discovery was launched in '89) was due to some improvements being made to the next generation Defender, taking on some improvements from both the Range Rover and the Discovery, but yet still keeping that classic ruggedness we know and love (most of us anyway
So in early '91 the very first commercially produced and badged Defender hit the roads, they were badged as Defender 90 and Defender 110 (to carry on the clear naming from the Land Rover Ninety and Land Rover One-Ten)
We now had a very clear dividing line between the 3 production models and a clear diving line between the historical vehicles (which at that point in time, Land Rover was more about the future than looking back at their past).
So we had:
What everyone calls the Defender pre '91 was exactly as @Turboman says, they were either Land Rover Utility Ninety or Land Rover Utility One-Ten.
- Land Rover Defender
- Land Rover Discovery
- Range Rover
The reason for the confusion is that the super classic shape of the Land Rover Ninety and Land Rover One-Ten was carried forward, so as the Defender is such an iconic name globally, everyone automatically associates that classic 'Defender' shape to everything going back, right up until you reach the Series 3.
As far as Land Rover is concerned, the Defender hasn't changed much since the first Land Rover utility vehicle to come after the style change away from the Series 3, therefore for simplicity, everything from '83 onwards became tagged as a Defender, although officially there is a defining line in '91 for when the Defender name came about in badges, books and manuals.
For one final touch, in 2007 they dropped the wheelbase number, so the Defender 90 and Defender 110 just simply became known as the Defender, it was no longer badged on the car, although the spaces for the badge remain
Confused?
People who have a 'Defender' produced between late '89 all the way until the officially badged Defender in early '91 are the people who should be most confused though, they are in a weird naming transition period
We are just winding each other up!
Ignore it, you get used to it after a while, simple things please simple minds! In real life there is not much confusion, the vehicles are clearly badged, and the chassis numbers tell all!
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Wammers is perfectly well aware of these things, and also that I would be unable to resist rising to the bait!
Entertaining him is a valuable social service, there have been a lot of cutbacks to facilities for the elderly!
Try the same landrover faq site, I just got it off google search!
Turboman
Mab An Gov
If the number on the docs and the engine match, that is fine, and all you need to order the right parts.
Tonym3
Active Member
I was looking at pinion seals as my rear diff is leaking and I wanted to get the flange as well which brings up a few variants!! Looking at the different options the flange should be obvious when I have a look under the car and Jamesmartin helpfully gave the part number for the seal, so I'm hoping with this information I should be fine.
Found a few how to guides on here my only concern is removing the prop bolts, all the how tos say to clamp it in place some how, from memory on other cars I have just stuck them in gear. Would there be a reason this would not work on the defender?
Found a few how to guides on here my only concern is removing the prop bolts, all the how tos say to clamp it in place some how, from memory on other cars I have just stuck them in gear. Would there be a reason this would not work on the defender?
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Sure it has the right oil? EP90! They tend to weep a bit if people put 75W synthetic gear oil in?
If you mean the propshaft flanges, I just use two 9/16ths spanners.
Unless it is a very early car it will be a standard 10 spline flange, under a tenner for a new britpart one and anew seal oil leak free, well on that part anyway!
I run syn 75/90 in mine with zero leak's.
Standard breather's belong in the bin, get the kit's off of ebay cheap as chip's and dont block up.
I run syn 75/90 in mine with zero leak's.
Standard breather's belong in the bin, get the kit's off of ebay cheap as chip's and dont block up.
Tonym3
Active Member
Well I got the prop bolts undone this evening in preparation of changing the flange and seal, one quick question for those with experience.
When it comes to removing the flange with the great big bolt! Clearly I do not have the correct tool for the job, what do you guys use to stop it from spinning whilst slackening off? Would some decent chocks under the wheels stop it or do I need something to grip and stop it turning? I Would like to keep the diff on the vehicle for ease.
Thanks as always for any help
When it comes to removing the flange with the great big bolt! Clearly I do not have the correct tool for the job, what do you guys use to stop it from spinning whilst slackening off? Would some decent chocks under the wheels stop it or do I need something to grip and stop it turning? I Would like to keep the diff on the vehicle for ease.
Thanks as always for any help
jamesmartin
Well-Known Member
i use a battery gun ,air gun is just as good or use a large set of stilsons etc to hold flange or make a tool ie a bar with 2 holes so you can bolt it to the flange
Tonym3
Active Member
Thanks James, I have not attempted yet as just wanted to get the prop off tonight then spray with lube.
Like the idea of something long with holes I will have a look what I can find in the garage tomorrow.
any need to mark the flange when removing? Scrub that I'm replacing it!!!!!!!
Thanks for the help James I will crack on tomorrow evening then wake the neighbours up by getting the compressor running for the air gun!
Like the idea of something long with holes I will have a look what I can find in the garage tomorrow.
any need to mark the flange when removing? Scrub that I'm replacing it!!!!!!!
Thanks for the help James I will crack on tomorrow evening then wake the neighbours up by getting the compressor running for the air gun!
Tonym3
Active Member
Well my identity crisis continues!! Just received the new flange and it's the multi spline type not the 4 splines like mine.
To be fair I should have waited until I got it off before I ordered then I could have called them and checked first, but I put all the correct details in to the website, so is there a mixture of splines on these or did I just order the wrong part?!!
Going to give them a call in the morning I'm sure they will swap it but just frustrating as wanted to get it done tomorrow
To be fair I should have waited until I got it off before I ordered then I could have called them and checked first, but I put all the correct details in to the website, so is there a mixture of splines on these or did I just order the wrong part?!!
Going to give them a call in the morning I'm sure they will swap it but just frustrating as wanted to get it done tomorrow
