More like $500,000 his prerunner is over $100,000 :D

Mine stands me at about £4K so far and ive only ever got stuck once and that was in 4ft of mud and water at bala guess what would have got me out ......



Lockers !!!

You don't need silly flex if you can drive and have good tyres

Haha bloody hell!

Yeh your right there, to the matey who started the thread, if you got the dollar do it but can you justify spending that sorta money, if it's occasional offroad sites & lanning etc Id just get a decent suspension set up and save yourself a lot of money.
 
then u aint trying nothing to testing then ;)

bit like all the adverts on eblag that say "this motor never gets stuck"

total bollocks

None of my mates follow me anywhere anymore as they always get stuck or break something trying

Did the wood section at bala in reverse, 1 to rescue a mate who was stuck ;) and 2 because I could
 
None of my mates follow me anywhere anymore as they always get stuck or break something trying

Did the wood section at bala in reverse, 1 to rescue a mate who was stuck ;) and 2 because I could

for some reason I always seem to be the one that gets coaxed into trying things first aswell lol :)
 
for some reason I always seem to be the one that gets coaxed into trying things first aswell lol :)

Went through 2 water runs peice of ****, the 3rd one they said "only challenge trucks get through there" well that was all the encoragement I needed 4ft of mud later heres me getting winched out. Got half way though !!!
 
Salisbury axles lose valuable gnd clearance offroad so there pretty useless
no good having all the lockers in the world if your sat on yr diffs..
the best way to gain clearance is larger tyres..unless you go the portal axle route..
my setup works perfectly and shows up a lot of these so called "competition" guys who build all these trucks with lockers and suspension and stick small tyres on and spend too much time sat on there diffs..;)



Actually a Salisbury axle has the same clearance as an old rover axle pre flat bottomed axles. Tis true newer axles flat bottomed ones have an inch extra clearance however a Salisbury can be modified quite easily with a grinder to make it the same by just shaving a little
Bit off or go big and cut he bottom off and plate it as a few guys are doing gaining more than an inch over a rover but with the full strength and reliability of a strong proven design and easily upgradability to absoluy stupid strength

competing is where reliability and strength by design is needed. Rover axles are ok sub 2 tonne motor driven hard on 35 inch tyres fully upgraded with 300m shafts and cvs better diffs etc circa £4-6k and on a gutless tdi or even a 300 horse v8. But they fail when these limits are pushed. No point spending £2k in fees time off work prep accommodation to get to an event and break it. Salisbury start that much higher and upgradability is huge.

Salisbury axles do have a weight penalty and it's un sprung weight which is no good for racing but. It's heavy low down tough strong and ultra reliable for the tough bits.

Wiltshire what comps have you taken your motor to??

I quite fancy competing in a comp localish, I quite fancy a go in my series one weighing around 1100 kilos (excluding fat Bastid driver) should be fairly nippy with it's locked rear diff and only 33 inch tyres. Weight is a huge disadvantage defender chassis especially has a deep section and very heavy compared to a rangy. Then again a disco or rangy is a heavy motor so pipe and panel is the way forward.

Rover axles bend so easy the best ones I saw were he warrior offroad and the Simmonites when they tubed rover cases proved a better way of doing it.

Thy are bending them on comp safari motors weighing half that of a challenge truck so they stand no chance when racing.

Winch challenge is a whole other world I know one guy has spend circa £35k and it's been out once this year. It's not a top car but is built well.it has a design error tho. The skid plate is an inch lower than the chassis. Meaning the break over angle is awful. Others raise the gearbox and cut 2 inches from the chassis rail making the lowest point 2 inches higher than stock.

What does this mean

Well 37 inch tyres become only 35's on the one with the inch skid plate below.

It makes the one with 2 inches more clearance break over act as though it's on 39 inch tyres. All that for very little effort just thought. Handy on a 100 inch motor.

lots and lots of competing motors have design faults as above that seem obvious. I'm not going down the winch challenge route I did contemplate it I have a lot of the bits kicking about but I have zero time and I've competed more seriously before and it costs lots. ALRC for now maybe a dabble comp safari racing al la cheap.

Main reason I left one of the biggest groups years back too many wrecks passing scruteneering that shouldn't have just an accident waiting to happen

Too many people come into this hobby sport dabble and give up. Buy new old wrecks every few months. I've had my motor 10 years competed in lots of various comps laid out probably just as many. I've even managed to gain a few shiny bits along the way probably more luck than judgement on my part I reckon but not many people I know have had the same vehicle which is still road legal and competed in it for 10 years.

Reliability is key. To come first, first you got to finish.
 
we drive all our motors to all events and pay n plays and sometimes get to drive them home again lol

we prefer the punch challenges and winch events which most of the pnp we go to do each month and its a good way to weed out any niggles or improvements..
since fitting the Detroit in the rear ive noticed a lot less throttle is needed which is good when its gonna spin up the 37s
ultimately I wanna put the Detroit in the front and maybe an Ashcroft in the back or do u reckon an lsd in front and leave Detroit in the back?
 
Best off Ashcroft front and Detroit rear of it's for the road

When you get fully locked up tickover or 1/4 throttle is good for most things people struggle with

That said tdi especially autos and weight of a disco/defender just feels lathargic compared to a decent v8 pipe and panel motor
 
Tdi's are awful for control at low revs zero response v8's are good but a defender or disco are heavy beasts and will never be up there especially road legal ones. Ok for having a go but they're not going to be great when it comes to instant hill climb zero run up. Or where the body needs to bend around trees. Makes me laugh those that never get stuck or think they're good drivers (where is that yellow 90 kid) even laying out comps we try silly things we found a bomb hole was actually 25 feet deep below the water line. Thank god he left a strop on! We couldn't use that bit!! My Winch took a pounding that day it took me half an hour to get through the trees to get to the trialer. The driver who "tried it" was his first go laying out was very surprised!! One trial when I was a wee kid was the finish gate either side of a 800mm dia tree so nobody could get a clear. Well one bugger got a clear! Drove up the tree and pivoted around and got a hub through!!

Nothing is impossible but discos and defenders have limits
 
Tdi's are awful for control at low revs zero response v8's are good but a defender or disco are heavy beasts and will never be up there especially road legal ones. Ok for having a go but they're not going to be great when it comes to instant hill climb zero run up. Or where the body needs to bend around trees. Makes me laugh those that never get stuck or think they're good drivers (where is that yellow 90 kid) even laying out comps we try silly things we found a bomb hole was actually 25 feet deep below the water line. Thank god he left a strop on! We couldn't use that bit!! My Winch took a pounding that day it took me half an hour to get through the trees to get to the trialer. The driver who "tried it" was his first go laying out was very surprised!! One trial when I was a wee kid was the finish gate either side of a 800mm dia tree so nobody could get a clear. Well one bugger got a clear! Drove up the tree and pivoted around and got a hub through!!

Nothing is impossible but discos and defenders have limits
we like to test our limits :)
and bobtailing it helped

and yeh trees don't move lol

 
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What we need is a Landyzone fest like last year with a punch event if LZ sort location and insurance etc I'd happily lay out or get a few of us to lay out. We can do a special section but it will have to be around the nationals I'm already signed up to
 
What we need is a Landyzone fest like last year with a punch event if LZ sort location and insurance etc I'd happily lay out or get a few of us to lay out. We can do a special section but it will have to be around the nationals I'm already signed up to

awesome..im always up for learning and seeing what others do and don't do:)
 
Be good for lots of us to all enter and see who comes out and in what motors. If you got a caged sorted tdi challenge truck with silly oversized shocks that it will probably never need lots if bling factor in the challenge world more polish than the queens guards! You would expect a challenge motor to be higher placed than a series III for example but results I think may well surprise many people.
 
Don't know what punch events you go to then jai if think a standard series 3 do the same as challenge truck lol!
You taking the **** outa the shocks again!
There only 16" bloomin travel lol!! :p

 
Spydermans series III beat more than a few "challenge trucks" it only had big tyres and a rear locker and normal slow winch. He took first place twice
 

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