KillaJoules · May 30, 2013

owl said:
The engine and box are so short that it can sit very low and far back in the chassis, Rover V8's have to be high to clear the oil pump over the front axle .

As I once found out after installing my v8 for the first time. It still had the 8" filter which was fine on road. But the first front axle of the ground at a play day had it knocked off when I landed. Fortunately the housing was fine and a trip to local auto spares and I had a 4" replacement and a gallon of oil. And all was well after that. As I had a 6cyl chassis I did not need the remote

owl · May 30, 2013

Don't under estimate how important weight is.
I used to organise some off-road days for a main dealer, back in the days when P38's we current.
I laid out a 20 gate trials course for customers to drive, on their first run round they were entered in a competition and the best drivers got a free trip to the Land Rover experience. Strangely enough it was always a P38 that won.

Well one year it was wet and on the course there was a steep grass hill with a garage marked out half way up (drive into and reverse back down) and not many disco's defenders or RR could get into the garage (a few did).
A mate turned up in his Zook SJ (blasphemy I know) and I could drive it to the top of said hill every time no prob. the only reason was weight.
You may like to remember that when building your off-roader.

owl · May 30, 2013

Bump said:
Ouu interesting, thanks. So i can compete in my Series in a leaf class Although as it has a 200di lump in it i guess i'd have to be in the modified class

I think you my be ok in standard class with a 200di but don't quote me.

Part 1 - General Vehicle Regulations
Section B - Standard Class Vehicle Regulations

Last Updated: 13/12/2012

This section lists the permitted changes from the original standard production / factory design and dimensions of the whole vehicle and its component parts.

When optimising a road-legal vehicle for off-road use, owners may need to take advice on the suitability of any alterations to establish that they are not detrimental to safety for public road use, and that the terms of the vehicle’s insurance are not contravened.

Original dimensions are defined in the Vehicle Sizes Chart in the ALRC Handbook.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

B.1. VEHICLE DIMENSIONS:-
B.1.1 All dimensions given in the Vehicle Sizes Chart shall apply. [FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

B.2. ENGINE DESCRIPTION:-
B.2.1. Alternative engines or engine parts which may be interchanged are:-[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Original Land Rover engine [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Acceptable re placement [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1.6 and 2 litre [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Rover 60 2 litre car engine. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2.25 litre [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Rover 80 2.25 litre car engine, or normally aspirated 2½ litre diesel. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2.6 litre [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Any Rover P4 range car engine. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Up to 2.5 litre 4 cylinder Turbo-diesel [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Any other 4 cylinder 2.5 litre (nominal) turbo-diesel Land Rover engine. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2.5 litre 5 or 6 cylinder Turbo-diesel [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Any other 5 or 6 cylinder 2.5 litre (nominal) turbo-diesel Land Rover engine. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]V8 petrol (where factory fitted.) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Any V8 aluminium engine up to maximum size listed in the vehicle size chart from product listed in A.2.[/FONT] for that vehicle.

owl · May 30, 2013

That didn't work too well.
It says that in standard class 2.25 litre engine can be replaced by

Rover 80 2.25 litre car engine, or normally aspirated 2½ litre diesel.

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

Go on go on do it! Do it!! ill be playing leaf springs!! In my wreck!

owl · May 30, 2013

jai_landrover said:
Go on go on do it! Do it!! ill be playing leaf springs!! In my wreck!

It won't be a wreck when it's done will it.
Can you enter a series in standard with a 200di fitted instead of a 2 1/4

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

owl said:
It won't be a wreck when it's done will it.
Can you enter a series in standard with a 200di fitted instead of a 2 1/4

I believe diesel turbo or not is classed a a std 4 pot isn't it???

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

My series 1 was going to have a 2.25 but thats still classed as a modified motor. I think they are trying to change the regs but will take 2 or 3 years to get passed. You can really really tune a 2.25/2.5 although its silly heavy!

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

Ed in his 88,

ALRC national 2013 Comp car 30 - YouTube

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

Not keen on tdi's myself in a comp car. Perfect for a tow motor daily driver or greenlaner (i have one)! All the 8's made 3 of the 4 climbs for the team recovery at some point. The tdi although looked to be wound up only made 2 of them simply run out of revs and oomph as there was very little run up. Always good to see the trialers do the technical bits with ease but the comp motors with way stiffer suspension using alot more right foot just before they wave their wheels in the air.

Bump · May 30, 2013

jai_landrover said:
Go on go on do it! Do it!! ill be playing leaf springs!! In my wreck!

When / where is the next event? Can people just come along and watch? Probably better to get an idea as a spectator before jumping straight in with the series, but, it is definitely something which interests me

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

Where abouts are you? under my landy doesn't help lol!!

do you have a std bumper aswell??

owl · May 30, 2013

Series in the RTV looks like he's having fun, beers and a BBQ after what could be better

ALRC National 2013 Usk Section 3 - YouTube

Bump · May 30, 2013

jai_landrover said:
Where abouts are you? under my landy doesn't help lol!!

do you have a std bumper aswell??

hmm... good point. We've recently relocated from Derbyshire down to Northamptonshire... so... err... Northamptonshire!

I have a standard Bumper (although it is off a 2007 110, but, the design hasn't changed in 50 years!) but i have a winch tray sat on top of it with a winch on.

Bump · May 30, 2013

owl said:
Series in the RTV looks like he's having fun, beers and a BBQ after what could be better

ALRC National 2013 Usk Section 3 - YouTube

Ahh now that looks nice and fun... not damaging either

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

Your not far away at all!!

Right good news and bad news:

A 90 bumper gives you an advantage as it does not stick out so far forwards......................me I don't mind but if they ever measured up you may well be told your not allowed to play. I'm sure the club I'm with it will be fine will allow you but enter the nationals or an interclub rtv where there is some serious lads you may well be asked questions. As you have a winch which sticks out I see no issue but other may. I got a few Q's about lack of rear tailgate more flex in the body apparently (which makes no odds to me im not that good)!!

Secondly you would need a propper tow point at the front a tow ball is fine.

Good news: well come and have a go!! I think we're at roundhill Tring Herts (bit of a trek from you but very good site) but not until the end of July Hopefully if I get my ass in gear and the weather stops ****ing on me i'll be there in the series 1

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

Technically you have an advantage! but hey ho

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

clubs up your way east northants are a good crowd well used to be I think they still a good bunch!

have a nosey at this:

Welcome to the Association of Land Rover Clubs

ENLROC East Northants Land Rover Owners Club

Bump · May 30, 2013

jai_landrover said:
Your not far away at all!!

Right good news and bad news:

A 90 bumper gives you an advantage as it does not stick out so far forwards......................me I don't mind but if they ever measured up you may well be told your not allowed to play. I'm sure the club I'm with it will be fine will allow you but enter the nationals or an interclub rtv where there is some serious lads you may well be asked questions. As you have a winch which sticks out I see no issue but other may. I got a few Q's about lack of rear tailgate more flex in the body apparently (which makes no odds to me im not that good)!!

Secondly you would need a propper tow point at the front a tow ball is fine.

Good news: well come and have a go!! I think we're at roundhill Tring Herts (bit of a trek from you but very good site) but not until the end of July Hopefully if I get my ass in gear and the weather stops ****ing on me i'll be there in the series 1

Awesome... well... putting a series bumper back on is no problem at all... i just bent it on a tree and a friend had a spare defender one lying around. Didn't realise it sticks out less!

Proper tow point... makes sense... it's been on the "to-do" list for months.

Tring is only an hour or so away, nothing at all, i'm used to driving all over the country.

Thanks for links, i'll take a look

jai_landrover · May 30, 2013

I don't think you can beat a std well setup series. serious fun cheaply and plenty of people on hand. The social side of it is a right laugh the beer tent and the bbq's after a good days competing takes alot of beating espceially when you have stories of each others silly cock ups and amazing clears!

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