blackstrat
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Had two Classics and a P38 and all were Diesel - I guess I've been missing out on the full RR experience huh.. 
tomcat59alan
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So true, the diesel boys are very sensitive souls. You really shouldn't take it to heart.
Does that warrant a reply Tony, no didn't think so
ukadamwest
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edited for accuracy !
Well I have a V8 P38 which is more expensive to run but is friendlier to the environment due to less particles. A great pity that leaded was banned as I reckon unleaded is more harmful. I used to have a 200 tdi 130 which was a wonderful machine in, I think, the old days when they were called Land Rovers and not Defenders.
tomcat59alan
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Datatek
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That's bull****, the noxious gasses put out by petrol engines is no better than the stuff put out by diesels, however your V8 burns a lot more fuel, so puts out more waste and depletes the oil resources faster. The current change of mind about diesels is all about softening up the public for a rise in diesel fuel duty. Lead in petrol was shown to be affecting the brains of infants.
Datatek
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:lol::lol:And V8 owners apparently.
whereas diseasel engines just give everyone asthma instead
as for depleting the oil reserves,it reminds me of my primary school teacher telling us that there was only twenty years of the stuff left(we are talking late sixties here) now here we are 40+ years later with so much of the stuff we cant use it all. f+ck me im old
martynv8
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whereas diseasel engines just give everyone asthma instead
as for depleting the oil reserves,it reminds me of my primary school teacher telling us that there was only twenty years of the stuff left(we are talking late sixties here) now here we are 40+ years later with so much of the stuff we cant use it all. f+ck me im old
Very true,
I regard driving a 4.6 V8 as the last swan song of a truly powered vehicle. By the time i'm retired it will all be Hybrids, electric & god knows what powered. It will be all about getting to where your going the most efficient way but no enjoyment.
Very true,
I regard driving a 4.6 V8 as the last swan song of a truly powered vehicle. By the time i'm retired it will all be Hybrids, electric & god knows what powered. It will be all about getting to where your going the most efficient way but no enjoyment.
I agree... a case of get it while you can! Its why I have the 650i as well!
plumbfisher
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whereas diseasel engines just give everyone asthma instead
as for depleting the oil reserves,it reminds me of my primary school teacher telling us that there was only twenty years of the stuff left(we are talking late sixties here) now here we are 40+ years later with so much of the stuff we cant use it all. f+ck me im old
and I remember a teacher saying that the biggest concern that we would have in the future was how to spend all our spare time that we would have as a result of the fantastic technological advances that were going to be made !!!
(Answer: by keeping old Landies going and wasting time on forums!
)f+ck me - I'm even older!
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
and I remember a teacher saying that the biggest concern that we would have in the future was how to spend all our spare time that we would have as a result of the fantastic technological advances that were going to be made !!!
(Answer: by keeping old Landies going and wasting time on forums!
f+ck me - I'm even older!
It has brought about sweeping social change I just suspect that zero hour contracts and food banks weren't what they had in mind
It has brought about sweeping social change I just suspect that zero hour contracts and food banks weren't what they had in mind
Maybe they didn't realise that much of industry would be shut down and the owners would invest their money abroad in the lands of cheap labour. Oh yeah nearly forgot. Then pay as little tax as possible here on their overseas profits. But it doesn't matter if it leaves people in the **** and reliant on food banks as long as the share holders get a good pay out and the business men and bankers are rich.
300bhp/ton
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300bhp/ton
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But the trouble here is, the "in general" statement. As most diesel engines are or where massively overbuilt, often under powered and usually had links to agricultural, heavy plant or marine engines.
It is a fallacy to delude yourself or try and convince others that ANY diesel engine is always more reliable than ANY petrol engine.
Which is the point in hand, old diesel engines are not really akin to modern ones with carbon blocks, DOHC, CRD and multi turbo setups.
And I'm willing to bet, if you are UK/EU based, then you'll have largely dealt with fairly high state of tune petrol engines. As that is the norm in this part of the world.
eh?
Calling a diesel p38a too slow is one thing, but now you've gone to far. Are you really trying to say you see no point in sports cars, supercars, performance saloons or hot hatches? If so, that's quite a blinkered opinion to have.
For the record, once you get out of the SE or cities, there are plenty of places in the UK to enjoy powerful cars.
300bhp/ton
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Nope, the 130 was introduced when the Defender name was launched.
Not so I'm afraid, 127/130 launched in 83. Defender name not used until 1990. I think there were some badging issues with the 130 in that it just had land rover on the nose rather than 90/110.
Also I believe they were cut and shut 110's for a while until they started to make a proper 127/130 chassis although when that was I don't know.
300bhp/ton
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Nope, it's really quite simple.
The new models where Ninety, One Ten and 127. The 127 used a modified 110 chassis. The 130 did not exist at this time and nor did the Defender.
When the Discovery was launched in 1989 and the Tdi engine introduced. It was decided to name the "Land Rover" model, as it was now part of a larger range of vehicles. And we got the Defender in 1990 with the introduction of the 200Tdi into these vehicles. Naming went to Defender 90, Defender 110 and Defender 130. The 130 still has the same 127" wheelbase as the 127 did, but now had a dedicated chassis, rather than a modified 110 one.
But the fact remains, if you had a 130 and not a 127, then you had a Defender.
