butty

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Hi All
Ive got a 90 with the old 2.5 turbo diesel engine fitted.
Not the most refined diesel but its still runs.
The other day i was stood in traffic with the engine ticking over.
I started to accelerate and the engine speeded up to max rpm and sounded like it was going to self distruct along with a clattering sound and suddenly quieted down to tickover. Masses of smoke coming out of the exhaust. Quite scary.
Any thoughts? Thought it might be oil getting into turbo?
Butty:mad:
 
That's what I thought when mine did it for the first time. (Lego Land car park, watch all the yokels in little cars duck for cover :D )
But since I run it on veg oil mostly now it doesn't happen as much, which makes me wonder if it isn't something else, and it has never used any engine oil between changes.
 
Sounds like your engine running on its own oil, and you are very lucky that it slowed down to idle speed. This problem is potentially fatal to your engine and is caused by excessive crank case pressure caused by cracked pistons, a cracked block or badly worn rings or bores. There are ways to fix the problem, but unfortunately it is is a known problem which tends to kill most early 19J turbo diesel engines. Later turbo diesel engines (before the 200 and 300 tdi) were better, because Land Rover redesigned the block somewhat to cope with the excess heating problems.

Try this test:
Disconnect the engine breather pipe from the oil filler cap to the air intake manifold, so that there is no oil being fed into the bores, and let the engine run up to temperature. Once the engine is at temperature, have some one rev the engine slightly whilst you place your thumb over the oil dipstick tube for about five seconds. Release your thumb, and if there's a lot of pressure, or your engine physically launches oil out at you, you are looking at a strip down or a replacement engine.

If there is no pressure, it could well be the turbo that has gone. There is a hell of a lot of oil lubricating the bearings under a lot of pressure and if it leaks, it will be blasted into your engine and burned!

If there is pressure, the best thing to do is remove the head and examine the top of the pistons. If there are any visible cracks, they are more than likely the cause of the problem. If there are no cracks, I would expect rings or worse, possibly a cracked block which is not worth the time or the expense repairing.

I hate to sound so negative, but it is a well known about problem which will (if it happens again) destruct your engine. If you are still driving your land rover, and you notice the engine starting to rev its nuts off again, immediately whack it into fifth and slam the brakes on in an attempt to stall the engine. You must stall the engine, because turning off the ignition at the key will have no effect.

If you would like to know more or investigate and potentially fix the problem, just ask! I'm based in Leeds if you would like me to come and have a look at it or help you get at the pistons. My summer holidays are coming up within the next 3 weeks and I'll have nothing better to do!

-Pos
 
Hi butty here
Sounds like crankcase pressure cause last night i noticed oil on the road after i parked up.
I lifted the bonnet and noticed the dip stick had been ( i assume) blown upwards to allow oil to spill out the top. I took the dip stick all the way out with the engine running and noticed a haze of smoke coming out.
Oh dear poor landy, looks like a 200tdi transplant. Got to decide whether its worth it?
Butty :( :(
 
I've just rebuilt my 2.5 N/A with new bearings, pistons, rings and other bits and bobs and it came to about £280 for everything including gaskets, oil and filters etc. There's actually less involved in an engine swap, but there are complications, and you can probably do it for about £100 ish more.

If you decide to go ahead with a 200 tdi engine, you will probably end up with a disco engine unless you are fortunate to find a defender version which will just drop straight in. The discovery version requires a modified exhaust down pipe and a few mods to the air filter housing positioning and intercooler / radiator mounts, but will fit straight onto the exisiting chassis mounts.

A 300 tdi engine will fit straight it because land rover standardised on that one model of the engine for both the disco and the defender.

-Pos
 
Hi butty here
Sounds like crankcase pressure cause last night i noticed oil on the road after i parked up.
I lifted the bonnet and noticed the dip stick had been ( i assume) blown upwards to allow oil to spill out the top. I took the dip stick all the way out with the engine running and noticed a haze of smoke coming out.
Oh dear poor landy, looks like a 200tdi transplant. Got to decide whether its worth it?
Butty :( :(
It most definitely is!!! :D will pay for itself within 8 months max.
 
A 300 tdi engine will fit straight it because land rover standardised on that one model of the engine for both the disco and the defender.

-Pos

no it wont, different engine mounts and wont mate up to your lt77 gearbox.
 
mounts sit at a different place on the chassis and they are a different shape.

have you checked your air filter for oil contamination?
19j's require air filter changes a lor more frequently than anything else in the known universe.
also when did you last change the oil and what did you use?
 
Got to admit i havnt changed the air filter since i got it 4 years ago.:eek:
I will try that. I have used carlube diesel oil and change the oil and filter every 6 thou. I have also used tesco diesel oil. She starts first time all year round and doesnt appear to burn any oil. She has exceeded my expectations really as i didnt think the engine would last 2 years, so she has been a fantastic machine and still drives nice and tight. Also repairing is really easy and parts cheap. If i put another engine in i think she could outlast me.:)
So iam thinking of either re conditioning the old engine or going down the 200tdi route. Iam right in thinking the 200tdi will fit straight in with radiator modification?
Many thanks for your advice, much appreciated.
Butty:) :)
 
A 200 tdi disco engine will need a modified exhaust down pipe as well as the radiator bits. Don't forget you need to fit an intercooler and a radiator into the same slot that your old radiator is taking up, so if you can get a 200 tdi with the radiator and intercooler, make sure you do!

down pipe:
(**** anyone got the ebay link?)
 
If it was running on the fumes from the rocker cover breather just disconnect the breather from the air filter an it'll last fer another brazillion miles if you don't thrash it.
 
Just replaced my air filter which was well gummed up oil. It seems to have give the engine a new lease of life.
It actually moves a bit quicker when i put my foot on the accelarator!
No sign of the engine going into self destruct mode yet.
I leave it a week or so and see what happens then i will post again.
Thanks for all your advice.
Butty:) :)
 
There are ways to fix the problem, but unfortunately it is is a known problem which tends to kill most early 19J turbo diesel engines. Later turbo diesel engines (before the 200 and 300 tdi) were better, because Land Rover redesigned the block somewhat to cope with the excess heating problems.

This is what happened here http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f7/newbie-needs-help-58400.html, Is it a known problem with Landrover and is there any recall/warranty claim to be had on an 04 defender?.
 
This is what happened here http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f7/newbie-needs-help-58400.html, Is it a known problem with Landrover and is there any recall/warranty claim to be had on an 04 defender?.

There's no way a TD5 should have done that! The old 19J TD engine had problems, but that was three whole land rover engine generations ago. In fact, the revision that land rover made when they introduced the 200 tdi after the 19J fixed all the problems!

A four year old motor should not pack in. Keep trying with land rover.

-Pos
 
There's no way a TD5 should have done that! The old 19J TD engine had problems, but that was three whole land rover engine generations ago. In fact, the revision that land rover made when they introduced the 200 tdi after the 19J fixed all the problems!

A four year old motor should not pack in. Keep trying with land rover.

-Pos
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