Will Discovery 3 wheels fit on a Discovery 2?

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It seems to me that the OP was asking a reasonable question "Will they fit?" and that Srm was asking "ok, if not WHY won't they fit, I assume it's not the stud pattern as I've been told this is the same" so why on earth do wiltshire landyman and charlesy feel the need to post unhelpful, sarcastic comments!? is it a superiority complex? Comments like that belong elsewhere, not in a Landy forum populated by mature and helpful individuals.
 
sidewaysste said:
It seems to me that the OP was asking a reasonable question "Will they fit?" and that Srm was asking "ok, if not WHY won't they fit, I assume it's not the stud pattern as I've been told this is the same" so why on earth do wiltshire landyman and charlesy feel the need to post unhelpful, sarcastic comments!? is it a superiority complex? Comments like that belong elsewhere, not in a Landy forum populated by mature and helpful individuals.
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Bugger off :doh: have you not read any threads on here ?
 
There's a whole lot of difference between wheels that FIT, and wheels that are SAFE.

Unless and until you know just why some of the responses are less than encouraging, you should remain under your slab.
 
Charlsey, I agree with you completely, there is a difference between FIT and SAFE which rather underlines the importance of explaining WHY something that may on initial inspection appear to fit (eg same stud pattern) but actually does not safely fit, say for instance due to an incorrect locating spigot size or available stud length. Less than encouraging responses just get people's backs up and tend to make them ignore people on forums, do their own thing and risk injury. Patient education and explanation is far more helpful than caustic comments.
If anyone does know why they don't fit I'd like to hear, just out of curiosity. I have no intention of fitting D3 wheels on my D1, I'm thinking a set of modulars.
 
Thank you for the responses, I had seen the sites suggesting the stud pattern was the same but then had not really seen anyone fit them hence the question.

I will take the answer as a no.

Thanks again.
 
wiltshire landyman said:
no
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wiltshire landyman said:
well who are we to argue then..go ahead and fit them and then post the pics
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sidewaysste said:
It seems to me that the OP was asking a reasonable question "Will they fit?" and that Srm was asking "ok, if not WHY won't they fit, I assume it's not the stud pattern as I've been told this is the same" so why on earth do wiltshire landyman and charlesy feel the need to post unhelpful, sarcastic comments!? is it a superiority complex? Comments like that belong elsewhere, not in a Landy forum populated by mature and helpful individuals.
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hold on wheres the unhelpfull sarcastic comments then?

i suggest you have some kind of complex and feel the need to butt in on other peoples behalf when im sure there big enough to fight there own battles and if you dont like the answers given then fcuk of somewhere else,unless your one of them mature helpfull individuals you speak of then im sure your input to the forum will be greatly recieved
 
NeilT said:
Thank you for the responses, I had seen the sites suggesting the stud pattern was the same but then had not really seen anyone fit them hence the question.

I will take the answer as a no.

Thanks again.
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The stud pattern (aka PITCH CIRCLE DIAMETER) may well be the same - I don't know - but that is only one of many factors involved.

In my Disco 2 TD5 for example, the central hole in the alloy wheel is a dead fit onto the boss on the hub, and that (only) is what keeps the wheel centred. The five nuts only hold the wheel hard against the hub.

But with most steel wheels that isn't the case. They are usually centred and held on by the tapered ends of the wheelnuts engaging into tapered dents in the wheels, where the wheel studs pass through.

Then you need to worry about off-set. How much wheel (and tyre) sticks INWARDS, and can it hit anything, like rip off a brake pipe?

You should also worry about the centre line of the tyre in relation to the wheel bearing. If this is a long way out (like using spacers) then excess strain can be put on wheel bearings.

The list goes on and on.

I remember in "the good old days" we discovered that 12" wheels from a Hillman Imp would fit our Mini based autocross car. The only snag was that the stud-holes in the Imp wheels were bigger than the stud-holes in Mini wheels, so we used Mini wheelnuts with washers under them. Once they were tightened up the washers took on a taper, and we never had a wheel come off. I suspect that was because we were lucky.
 
Thanks CharlesY, thats the kind of information I was looking for :) it does look like the 3 uses a lower offset.
I can't understand the current fashion for fitting big wheels and low profile tyres to offroaders, they just don't look right nevermind what they do for offroad ability.

PCD isn't the same as stud pattern. Stud pattern refers to the number of studs and how they are arranged. PCD refers to the distance from the center of the hub to the center of the wheel stud as viewed as the diameter of a circle centered around the hub axis passing through the center point of all studs.
 
sidewaysste said:
Thanks CharlesY, thats the kind of information I was looking for :) it does look like the 3 uses a lower offset.
I can't understand the current fashion for fitting big wheels and low profile tyres to offroaders, they just don't look right nevermind what they do for offroad ability.

PCD isn't the same as stud pattern. Stud pattern refers to the number of studs and how they are arranged. PCD refers to the distance from the center of the hub to the center of the wheel stud as viewed as the diameter of a circle centered around the hub axis passing through the center point of all studs.
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It's the same thing because all the wheels under discussion are five-stud Landy wheels.

I bought a Disco 2 TD5 recently. It has 18" alloys.
If anyone wants to swap a set of 18" alloys for standard Disco wheels, let me know. There are good road tyres on them.

CharlesY
 
All Landrovers use a 5 studs, therefore they all share the same stud pattern. That is not the logical precursor to supposing that they therefore share the same PCD. They may actually share the same PCD but that does not make the terms interchangable. the stud pattern is not also known as the PCD, but they can be easily confused. I realise I may be coming across as pedantic, and I apologise if it seems I'm trying to play a game of one upmanship, I'm not. I just want to inform people as to the correct use of automotive terms :)
 
CharlesY said:
It's the same thing because all the wheels under discussion are five-stud Landy wheels.

I bought a Disco 2 TD5 recently. It has 18" alloys.
If anyone wants to swap a set of 18" alloys for standard Disco wheels, let me know. There are good road tyres on them.

CharlesY
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This was the reason for my original question, I am also looking to downsize
 
wiltshire landyman said:
do you actually know what your on about:rolleyes:
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Apparently he THINKS he does, and who are we ignorant peasants to disavow him of his self-aggrandisement? he will be THE expert.


However, us ignorant peasants and probably also most sensible and practical people, would consider "stud pattern" to mean the combination of the number of the wheel studs / studholes, and the pitch circle diameter aka PCD. If you want to find out about what wheels might fit what hubs, start there.

There are a fair few variations in LandRover models over the years.
 
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