Which Freelander ?

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BIG SID

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Hello everyone,
I am currently debating purchasing a Freelander, 2.0 Td4.
1 big thing that is holding me back is the Head Gasket failure that I have read about around the internet, but I can’t find anything that states weather it’s a problem with just the 1.8 engines petrol, or is it something that all Freelanders can suffer from? If not, is a 2004 2.0 Td4 a reliable car to buy,
Thank you for any advice and info.
 
Petrol versions can suffer the dreaded HG failure in particular the K series 1.8.

Some have no problems at all, its mainly due to school run mums doing short journeys and driving the engine hard while its cold, the Freelander is no light weight vehicle.
They tend to stop it just as its getting warm let it cool then do the same again, not good for a motor.
There are fixes out there which entails re-locating the thermostat to a lower position i believe, this allows the coolant to circulate throughout the system earlier than was designed.

As for the TD4 it would always be my choice, my wife has an 02 TD4 which apart from a clutch cylinder and a starter motor refurb has been fine in 2 years and 58,000 miles.
 
Thanks Zippy,
That gives me a bit more confidence in buying the freelander 2.0 Td4,
the rival, the other car im looking at is the Mitsubishi Shogun sport 2.4td 5dr warrior, looks better, but not as good on the MPG...
 
ask Minge, Mondeo etc - I am biased ;) (buy an X-Trail - hee hee)

Usual things
Diff mounts
VCU
IRD
Chassis cracks
badly worn tyres
clonks
bangs
rattles
oily engine
how long yu got

also search on TD4
 
Any engine that has a head gasket can suffer a head gasket failure, but the K-series petrol engine was particularly prone to it - in the Rover 200/400, Freelander, MGF, Lotus Elise.

The TD4 is the pick of the bunch.

Freelanders, like all vehicles, have some characteristic problems, none of which are unsurmountable.

To look at Mad Hat Man's list above:

VCU mounts - are two rubber mounts that can wear causing a distictive clunk on transmission take up. They cost <£20 each and have not failed on either of our Freelanders (1998 with 103,000m and 2002 TD4 with 48,000m)

VCU and IRD - The VCU is the bit which gives the Freelander four wheel drive. Early versions were prone to seizing, putting extra strain on the IRD, a clever second gearbox that delivers power to the rear wheels. Early on, many mechnaics that weren't clued up would change a failed IRD, only for it to fail again, because it was a symptom of a problem with the VCU. This gave the Freelanders IRD a bad reputation, until everyone realised that the VCU was to blame. Godda admire the plucky IRD for putting up with it!These parts were redesigned by the time the TD4 came along. There is a simple test for a seized VCU.

Chassis cracks - not heard of this problem as characteristic of the Freelander.

Tyre wear - This was characteristic of early versions, and seems to be caused by either VCU failure or the ratios in the rear differential. Both these parts were redesigned by the time the TD4 came along.

Clongs, bangs - generally down to VCU mounts (see above) or rear diff mounts. Each costs around £20. On ours, one rear diff mount failed at 102,000m, although I can't say for sure that it was the original mount. It gave us plenty of warning with an obvious transmission related "thunk" and it was a good couple of months before we got around to changing it.

Rattles - The TD4 we have is pretty quiet for a diesel. After 48,000m we have a squeak from the mobile phone holder and a irksome knock from one of the doors, which requires a lump of grease every 6-8 months.

Oily engine - Haven't worked on a wide enough range of vehicles to say if this is a problem or not. Would say it is no more dirty than the Fiesta, Rover, Citroen or Mercedes diesels I've experienced.

There's only one characteristic problem with the TD4 that I can think of off the top of my head and that is the Mass Air Flow thingy. Do a search for "MAF". Bear in mind that the TD4 is the acclaimed engine in the BMW 3 Series.

Cheers

Blippie
 
On a 2004 TD4 Model i would exclude the following:

Usual things
Diff mounts: Probably not/ after 40,000 miles maybe (NOT EXPENSIVE TO FIX)
VCU:2004 Models should have no problems
IRD:As above
Chassis cracks:Very Rare.
badly worn tyres:As always with any car.
clonks: Its a 4x4 they will all creak and clonk to some extent.
bangs: As Above but insist on a good long test drive to prove.
rattles: All cars have rattles.
oily engine:Maybe,again dependant on mileage but not normally an issue with the TD4

Out of the range the V6 is a good engine but thirsty, the TD4 is the best of them all, good performance and decent economy just look at several examples and make your choice based on condition, mileage,service history and price.
Just steer clear of the 1.8 petrol for your own piece of mind and you should be fine.

Zippy
 
L Series - Stone age engine, Billions of mile potential, cobwebs on the engine, 46 MPG after a few tweaks and no clonks or bangs after a few tonnes of soundproofing are added. :D
Does it have a head gasket?
 
Chassis cracks - not heard of this problem as characteristic of the Freelander.
Oily engine - Haven't worked on a wide enough range of vehicles to say if this is a problem or not. Would say it is no more dirty than the Fiesta, Rover, Citroen or Mercedes diesels I've experienced.
Blippie

Chassis cracking at rear suspension attachment - mine went and LR agent said "seen lots of these"
Oily engine - just thinking of blocked pipes (Which ones Minge) which can cause the engine to pressurise and push all the oil out.

badly worn tyres:As always with any car.
Out of the range the V6 is a good engine but thirsty,
Zippy

Badly worn tyres - symptomatic of VCU/IRD problem
V6 suffers from similar(but not as bad) problems to 1.8 regarding overheating/hotspots/HGF
 
L Series - Stone age engine, Billions of mile potential, cobwebs on the engine, 46 MPG after a few tweaks and no clonks or bangs after a few tonnes of soundproofing are added. :D
Does it have a head gasket?
No one ever says much about these engines,in my opinion they arent as far behind the TD4 in performance as people say,and I'd rather tust an L series to get me to the bottom of Africa than a TD4.But then I'd entrust a TDI to do that job anyway.
 
No one ever says much about these engines,in my opinion they arent as far behind the TD4 in performance as people say,and I'd rather tust an L series to get me to the bottom of Africa than a TD4.But then I'd entrust a TDI to do that job anyway.

My first testdrive with an Hippo was inf act with an Lseries diesel and in my opinion that moved as fast as the Td4 (in standard version) I got some months later. When I testdrove it I took an uphill road and from the speed I got on top of it I think it almost matched the Mercedes 190E?
 
Having had both an es spec v6 and now a 2004 td4 hse i would say just go for the td4 and enjoy it. most common problem is the maf sensor, but bear in mind, this year of car will still be under manufacturers warrenty any problems can be sorted before purchase and after test drive or soon after. These forums, for all the good benifits of advice also breed a disproportionate amount of doom. Visited a toureg forum before changing last time and scared myself to death ! X trail forum did similar things, all tales of doom. Three freelanders in our family with no major grief and also good dealer service all round. ps 2004 on updated interior a much nicer place to be. Good luck
 
Hi I had what sounds like the same problem with my freelander and after a lot of head scratching I managed to find the problem!!!! If you look were your rear axle mounts there are two places at the front of the axle were it bolts into the body, put a pry bar here and lever it I found the body had sheered around the bolt and was easily fixed with a bit of welding. Hope this cures your problem.
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L Series - Stone age engine, Billions of mile potential, cobwebs on the engine, 46 MPG after a few tweaks and no clonks or bangs after a few tonnes of soundproofing are added. :D
Does it have a head gasket?
Tell you what Tiny, you get me 10mpg up from me normal 35 and I'll be your mate forever and ever and ever and ever...........;) :p ;)
 
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