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Saint old chap didn't know pa was on the telly 
Old Top Gear 1991 - Range Rovers - YouTube
Old Top Gear 1991 - Range Rovers - YouTube
Top gear vidieo
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Have to say Cpt. Mark Phillips does sound like my Pater....
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Apart from jesting good informative vidieo must admit I do that with the pedal on all4x4 cars I buy lol bet you loved that vid when it came out years ago
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I was only 13 at the time, and I do remember my dad calling me over to watch it knowing what a Land Rover/Range Rover nut I was since I was about 6.....
I do tend to troll Youtube looking for Range Rover and Land Rover vids - feck I am such a geek!!
I do tend to troll Youtube looking for Range Rover and Land Rover vids - feck I am such a geek!!
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I guess there a bit outdated for me now, but I have always wonderd what the ride quality was like don't know if you have ever driven a defender? Harsh bone shaker was it just a refined defender on springs or was the ride much smoother have always Wanted to know you have had a few as I can see could you tell me your opinion in that respect of the Vehicle please
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Driven a number of Defenders - we have a 2007 Puma Engined Defender 90 County as one of our pool vehicles at work currently along with a 2011 Disco 4....
The ride in the Classic is much more supple compared with the Defenders - they use progressive long travel springs and softer bushes...
I love my L322 and I loved my P38's but a sorted Classic on Coils I would say is a softer more supple ride, the early model classics without the Anti-Roll bar to tend to wallow about , bit like being on a large row boat, but you get used to it, and after learning the roll behaviour you soon lose the automatic reflex reaction to over compenstate the steering (seems like you are weaving all over the road as you tend to try and correct the body roll) but you get used to that.
The later Classics with AR Bars are a lot less roly-poly.
My 1993 had the early variant of the EAS system, the same that was added to the 1992 LSE's, and acted as a test bed for the P38 system.
That one felt more like a P38 - the ride was a bit harsher, but more stable than a coiler.
The seating position for a 6'3" gent is comfortable, although my head was only and inch or so from the roof!! and the steering wheel can't be adjusted for reach or tilt, so a compromise was needed on the seating position.
Both mine had Electric Seats, albeit the 1993 had memory seats and mirrors.
The '88 Vogue SE, was a true workhorse, she lasted me 4 years before the rear crossmember and the outriggers rusted to dust....far to much work for me to do or pay for, so she went to an ex-work colleague who bobtailed it, and I believe she is still active on the trial scene, but unconfirmed. in the years I had her, she didn't fail to start once and she only failed once which was my fault - on a offroad jaunt I came across a large patch of mud and water - I decided to tackle the mud rather than the water and she got stuck, first time ever....we used a mates Series 2A to tug her out but during the recovery the poor thing started running really rough. We limped home, and off with the heads - she had suffered the common Camshaft wear to the point the valves were hardly lifting...she had been losing uumpph for a few months so I guess getting stuck was the last straw....I stripped the heads off, timing cover and ancillaries, replaced the Cam, Followers, valves, seals, New Head Gaskets, Valley gasket, degreased the internals, new plugs, leads, cap, coil, Ignition amp, thorough clean of the intake system and ram housing etc etc etc....she ran sweet as a nut afterwards better than ever - pity 18 months later she failed the MoT.
My second Classic was a 3.9 Vogue SE on LPG I bought this one from Northampton....
She never missed a beat andthe only time she failed to do anything was traced to a small resistor in the LT side of the ignition system.
She had a hard life, lugging stuff around, she wasn't much to look at (then again neither am I) but she would truly urge you to drive her - she was great and I'd still have her to this day if some c**ts hadn't nicked her and then burnt her out.....Gutted...
If i had the space and the money I'd have an L322 for day, and a Classic to play unquestioned.
If I had to put my hand on my heart and if someone said we'll take the L322 of you and give you a truly sorted Classic, that we will pay for any work required to keep it mint I'd take the Classic - they are so much more fun to drive.....(don't let my L322 hear that btw)
The ride in the Classic is much more supple compared with the Defenders - they use progressive long travel springs and softer bushes...
I love my L322 and I loved my P38's but a sorted Classic on Coils I would say is a softer more supple ride, the early model classics without the Anti-Roll bar to tend to wallow about , bit like being on a large row boat, but you get used to it, and after learning the roll behaviour you soon lose the automatic reflex reaction to over compenstate the steering (seems like you are weaving all over the road as you tend to try and correct the body roll) but you get used to that.
The later Classics with AR Bars are a lot less roly-poly.
My 1993 had the early variant of the EAS system, the same that was added to the 1992 LSE's, and acted as a test bed for the P38 system.
That one felt more like a P38 - the ride was a bit harsher, but more stable than a coiler.
The seating position for a 6'3" gent is comfortable, although my head was only and inch or so from the roof!! and the steering wheel can't be adjusted for reach or tilt, so a compromise was needed on the seating position.
Both mine had Electric Seats, albeit the 1993 had memory seats and mirrors.
The '88 Vogue SE, was a true workhorse, she lasted me 4 years before the rear crossmember and the outriggers rusted to dust....far to much work for me to do or pay for, so she went to an ex-work colleague who bobtailed it, and I believe she is still active on the trial scene, but unconfirmed. in the years I had her, she didn't fail to start once and she only failed once which was my fault - on a offroad jaunt I came across a large patch of mud and water - I decided to tackle the mud rather than the water and she got stuck, first time ever....we used a mates Series 2A to tug her out but during the recovery the poor thing started running really rough. We limped home, and off with the heads - she had suffered the common Camshaft wear to the point the valves were hardly lifting...she had been losing uumpph for a few months so I guess getting stuck was the last straw....I stripped the heads off, timing cover and ancillaries, replaced the Cam, Followers, valves, seals, New Head Gaskets, Valley gasket, degreased the internals, new plugs, leads, cap, coil, Ignition amp, thorough clean of the intake system and ram housing etc etc etc....she ran sweet as a nut afterwards better than ever - pity 18 months later she failed the MoT.
My second Classic was a 3.9 Vogue SE on LPG I bought this one from Northampton....
She never missed a beat andthe only time she failed to do anything was traced to a small resistor in the LT side of the ignition system.
She had a hard life, lugging stuff around, she wasn't much to look at (then again neither am I) but she would truly urge you to drive her - she was great and I'd still have her to this day if some c**ts hadn't nicked her and then burnt her out.....Gutted...
If i had the space and the money I'd have an L322 for day, and a Classic to play unquestioned.
If I had to put my hand on my heart and if someone said we'll take the L322 of you and give you a truly sorted Classic, that we will pay for any work required to keep it mint I'd take the Classic - they are so much more fun to drive.....(don't let my L322 hear that btw
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Wow thanks, now I tried on my defender with soft bushes new oil shocks I tried all know suppliers for soft type springs and one company I won't mention said they could get some after fitting all Necessary parts what a bloody waste of time made no differance what so ever, I was fumming after Relying on said company, the only time I ever got a good or should I say soft ride was when I had all my tools or the one and half ton ingersol rand compressor attached to the back .
I think that's why I got the p38 in the end I was fed up being thrown around although I love defenders dearly for there simplicity my comfort was more important to me in the end and par did struggle to get in after I removed the steps for rock sliders but once again thanks maybe I should take one out one day
I think that's why I got the p38 in the end I was fed up being thrown around although I love defenders dearly for there simplicity my comfort was more important to me in the end and par did struggle to get in after I removed the steps for rock sliders but once again thanks maybe I should take one out one day
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funny thing is most of it is still completly true today!
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Watching with excitement now not seen this one thanks Ok time to un pause
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its all good until the amazon comes out to play
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got to be! im a toyota main dealer mechanic and even though they are as good as he says they dont have to same thing about them like rr does!
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Grrrrrrr I'm Disgusted at you lot!!!! I used to deliver your parts from bibby and to think you b.... Ards have a bonus scheme on selling brake disks and battery's to line your own pockets !!!!!! Grrrrrrrr
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haha thats only parts department that get that **** unfortunatly! us on the shop floor see nothing like that unfortunatly but yes it is still going and they regularly end up with free hifis and games consoles!! nevermind though
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Glad you didn't take it personally and I'm sure all the other dealers do it but it ain't right especially all those old folk withe there yarris is
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