swap my 4x4 for Landrover

Hi all ..
Just a chance that someone may consider swapping their landrover
for my Ssangyong Korando .......S reg 3 owners from new.

Korando has 115K on the clock 60k of that I have put on on 3yrs.
T&T .. new discs on rear well shod. No obvious problems .. or to my
knowledge
No other problems.

2.9 n/a diesel ... no dings, bangs, etc. stone chip to windscreen ( been
there for 3yrs )
and a key scratch some Ba**ard put on the first day I owned it.
Nice 4x4 clean and not offroaded ( used daily to get to work and back )...
usual Ssangyong refinements
No clunks,clicks,knocks or other indication of any problems gearbox or
transmission
or engine... clean burning .. Last MOT the tester thaught his emmission
tester had gone
dead as there was no reading of significance.

I love this car ... so why do I want to get rid of it?

SIMPLE ... I want to offroad again!!
I can buy a townie to travell to work

I am looking for the "best landrover" offered ALL will be considered ...
prefer 90/defender .. 110 same .. rangie.. must be road legal T&T
Age immaterial ... body work clean at least .. not bothered about dings etc.

Sorry .. only Landrover product considered.

NOW FOR THE FUNNY BIT .....

I have enough chocolate buttons... I dont want to accept cash .. despite
offers of 50p+
unless the offer will allow me to buy a Landy
I may consider your wife / girlfried .. if she has less mileage than the
Korando
and she is great in the rough ) ..

* standing back and waiting to be swamped with offers *

Regards Graham aka Nivaone

you ARE on crack arnt you?!

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:48:55 +0100, "Nivaone"
<[email protected]> wrote:


->SIMPLE ... I want to offroad again!!
->I can buy a townie to travell to work
->

Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense.

Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal and you can travel to and from a event
in the comfort of your Sssssaaannnyyyyyoooonggg (SP?)

--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

On 2005-07-15, Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense.
> Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal

You'd need to be legal for an A-frame shirley?

Also most cheap one-day events frequented by the weekend off-roader
need a road-legal vehicle, as does green laning.

> and you can travel to and from a event
> in the comfort of your Sssssaaannnyyyyyoooonggg (SP?)

I think he just wants shot of the thing, and who can blame him? Maybe
someone with a Freelander will swap with him. Or he could put some
spinner hubs on it, swap the name badges for Buick ones and sell it to
some twerp down the local estates.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

"Ian Rawlings" wrote in message

> I think he just wants shot of the thing, and who can blame him? Maybe
> someone with a Freelander will swap with him. Or he could put some
> spinner hubs on it, swap the name badges for Buick ones and sell it to
> some twerp down the local estates.


NO .. I like the car

The reason I want to swap it is ... BECAUSE I WANT TO GO OFFROAD ... again
IF I damage the Korando ( which is to good to take offroad ) It will cost an
arm and a leg to repair...and I cant aford to buy even a play toy ... or A
frame Geoff :-(

Q.. Have you driven a Korando?
no?

Neither had I till I bought mine ..

Drives like a dream .. doesnt owe me a penny .. 30+ to the gallon .......
AND I want a Landrover ..again .. dirty smelly unreliable ..and a
uncomfortable but I want one ...
.... Mmmm may be I am on crack!

OR maybe I keep the Korando and sell my sole to the devil ( bank manager )
and get a loan ... then buy a Landy?

an jus fer the record ... also had 3 Niva's,Suzuki SJ,Suzuki Samuri, Landy
90,Landy SeriesII, Lada Saloon, Renault4 van, Lambretta 200, Honda CM125,...
So you see I'm used to being laughed at )

Regards Nivaone

>
> Q.. Have you driven a Korando?
> no?
>
> Neither had I till I bought mine ..
>
And now you want rid.

Says it all really!

Nivaone came up with the following;:
> Hi all ..
> Just a chance that someone may consider swapping their landrover
> for my Ssangyong Korando .......S reg 3 owners from new.

Any idea what the book value is ?

Any idea what the perceived value is?

> I am looking for the "best landrover" offered ALL will be considered ...
> prefer 90/defender .. 110 same .. rangie.. must be road legal T&T
> Age immaterial ... body work clean at least .. not bothered about dings
> etc.

Same questions as above, then consider who might, and why anyone would, want
to swap even a ****e Old Landrover for yours. (I can't even type the name)

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

According to TOTAL OFFROAD .. the prices for a 2.9D Korando is

Basic = £3750
Good = £4500 - £7250
A1 = £8000

I will assume these are trade in prices so I will say mine is Basic ..

and a cash price of £2500 ...

and why would anyone want to swap a ****e old landrover for mine ? who
knows ... somebody might ...
like I KNOW WHY I want to "get rid of it" ..

How many times do I have to say it ... because I want to offroad AGAIN and
the Korando is too good to damage.

But hey ... You dont want to swap .. so no problem ... but at least I ask
and someone may want to .. after all some people buy landys .. and look at
the flack they get !!

and dont forget ... someone will buy just about any 4x4 if the price is
right for them .. Suki's Lada's Panda's Rockster's ... do I need to go on..
Nah!

And just to finish ... my original post says

" Just a chance that someone may consider swapping their landrover "

Regards Nivaone ... sits back and awaits even more silly comments !

"Paul - xxx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Nivaone came up with the following;:
> > Hi all ..
> > Just a chance that someone may consider swapping their landrover
> > for my Ssangyong Korando .......S reg 3 owners from new.
>
> Any idea what the book value is ?
>
> Any idea what the perceived value is?
>
> > I am looking for the "best landrover" offered ALL will be considered ...
> > prefer 90/defender .. 110 same .. rangie.. must be road legal T&T
> > Age immaterial ... body work clean at least .. not bothered about dings
> > etc.
>
> Same questions as above, then consider who might, and why anyone would,
want
> to swap even a ****e Old Landrover for yours. (I can't even type the
name)
>
> --
> Paul ...
> (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!
>

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:43:41 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

->On 2005-07-15, Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
->
->> Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense.
->> Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal
->
->You'd need to be legal for an A-frame shirley?

Not if it's a braked A frame.

->Also most cheap one-day events frequented by the weekend off-roader

Not the case, tho it will be soon I'm sure.

->need a road-legal vehicle, as does green laning.

True.


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

Geoff ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

> ->> Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense.
> ->> Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal

> ->You'd need to be legal for an A-frame shirley?

> Not if it's a braked A frame.

AIUI, you'd need a braked A-frame because of the Suzi's weight (over 750kg
max laden), but if there's ANY wheels of the car being towed on the ground,
then it does need to be taxed/MOTd/insured, as it's still a vehicle being
recovered not a trailer.

Only way around that would be to trailer it - which would make far more
sense on a number of levels anyway.

Braked A-frames aren't as common as unbraked ones.

If the wheels are on the ground, you'll still be rotating the Suzi's
drivetrain - and if that's full of water in the oil, you'll still be
shafting everything properly.

If you've broken the Suzi's drivetrain, or bent it, or even run out of
tyres that'll hold air, you're stuffed - you can't tow it home.

With a proper trailer, no matter what you do to the Suzi, as long as you
can collect most of the bits into a rough pile and strap 'em down, you've
got it home.

On 18 Jul 2005 07:58:00 GMT, Adrian wrote:

> With a proper trailer, no matter what you do to the Suzi, as long as
> you can collect most of the bits into a rough pile and strap 'em
> down, you've got it home.

Like the style. B-)

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On 18 Jul 2005 07:58:00 GMT, Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

->Geoff ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
->they were saying :
->
->> ->> Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense.
->> ->> Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal
->
->> ->You'd need to be legal for an A-frame shirley?
->
->> Not if it's a braked A frame.
->
->AIUI, you'd need a braked A-frame because of the Suzi's weight (over 750kg
->max laden), but if there's ANY wheels of the car being towed on the ground,
->then it does need to be taxed/MOTd/insured, as it's still a vehicle being
->recovered not a trailer.

If the A frame is braked then it turns the vehicle into a trailer.

->Only way around that would be to trailer it - which would make far more
->sense on a number of levels anyway.

True.

->Braked A-frames aren't as common as unbraked ones.

True.

->If the wheels are on the ground, you'll still be rotating the Suzi's
->drivetrain - and if that's full of water in the oil, you'll still be
->shafting everything properly.

Transfer case in neutral or remove the prop depending on what you break, if you
loose a wheel bearing you are screwed, tho the same applies if you have a
trailer but that is what the AA are for.

->With a proper trailer, no matter what you do to the Suzi, as long as you
->can collect most of the bits into a rough pile and strap 'em down, you've
->got it home.

True, my current toy is a Range Rover, with it's weight and that of the trailer
it makes for quite a heavy load to drag about, and this time of year means I
can't run the air con in the tow vehicle ;-)


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

Geoff ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

> ->If the wheels are on the ground, you'll still be rotating the Suzi's
> ->drivetrain - and if that's full of water in the oil, you'll still be
> ->shafting everything properly.

> Transfer case in neutral or remove the prop depending on what you
> break,

Unless you have four free-wheel hubs on it, you'll still be spinning the
driveshafts and diffs. If you put the transfer case in Neutral, then you'll
still be spinning the output side of the transfer case. If the mischevious
little underwater oil-seal fairies have been at it again, you'll be running
the transfer box on what will look suspiciously like double cream. This is
not good for boxes.

If you've got a bit of water in the wheel bearings, then it could make the
difference between regreasing them and replacing them.

> if you loose a wheel bearing you are screwed, tho the same
> applies if you have a trailer

Eh? How come?

> but that is what the AA are for.

If you can't limp the Suzi to good enough access to get it to your own
trailer, the AA certainly won't want to know.

> my current toy is a Range Rover, with it's weight and that of the trailer
> it makes for quite a heavy load to drag about, and this time of year
> means I can't run the air con in the tow vehicle ;-)

And this is why small, lightweight toys are so good... I can lob the 4x4
2cv on a trailer on the back of my XM and tow it legally.

On 18 Jul 2005 09:49:25 GMT, Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

->Geoff ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
->they were saying :

->> Transfer case in neutral or remove the prop depending on what you
->> break,
->
->Unless you have four free-wheel hubs on it, you'll still be spinning the
->driveshafts and diffs. If you put the transfer case in Neutral, then you'll
->still be spinning the output side of the transfer case. If the mischevious
->little underwater oil-seal fairies have been at it again, you'll be running
->the transfer box on what will look suspiciously like double cream. This is
->not good for boxes.

In all my years of abusing Suzuki's I never had anything other then EP90 in the
transfer case, and only ever broke one and that was after it had put up with
years of having to put up with more then twice the amount of torque it was
designed for.

Blew quite a few diffs, but only one went in such a way as to lock the rear
axle, took the diff out and drove home in front wheel drive, did knacker the
rear wheel bearings tho.

->If you've got a bit of water in the wheel bearings, then it could make the
->difference between regreasing them and replacing them.
->
->> if you loose a wheel bearing you are screwed, tho the same
->> applies if you have a trailer
->
->Eh? How come?

Trailers have bearings, true they don't get as much abuse but I've get to goto a
site without getting the trailer wheels covered in crud.

->> but that is what the AA are for.
->
->If you can't limp the Suzi to good enough access to get it to your own
->trailer, the AA certainly won't want to know.

No but if you get to the road and call them because your "trailer" has had a
wheel bearing failure then they should take your trailer home.

Well that is the theory, the practice may be a bit different !

->> my current toy is a Range Rover, with it's weight and that of the trailer
->> it makes for quite a heavy load to drag about, and this time of year
->> means I can't run the air con in the tow vehicle ;-)
->
->And this is why small, lightweight toys are so good... I can lob the 4x4
->2cv on a trailer on the back of my XM and tow it legally.

I have a trailer and A-Frame, I can legally put the Range Rover on the trailer
but I prefer to use the A-Frame.

There was a 4WD 2cv at Slab a couple of weeks ago, was that you ?


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

Nivaone <[email protected]> wrote:

> How many times do I have to say it ... because I want to offroad AGAIN and
> the Korando is too good to damage.

That's a ****e excuse, given the value of it, you may as well offroad
it. Unless of course what you are tryi9ng to say is that it's ****e off
road, in which case why would anyone want to swap a capable off-roader
for a car that is neither good on road nor off it?

I take a nicely painted 4xFord off road most days of the week, it's
larger and more glossy than the Korando and it's not "too good to
damage'.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

WHY? does STEVE FIRTH think he knows me better than I do ?

WHY does STEVE FIRTH think he knows I am making an "excuse"

What represents value to you may NOT be what represents value to me ..

STEVE you are entitled to your opinions and I to mine.

I have my opinions of 4xFords... but I will not attack your choice ..
because it is your choice !!

I have been "offroading for almost ten years ( no doubt you will have an
opinion on that as well )
I have met lots of people on this newsgroup and appreciated the friendship
... but this news group is now going the same way as C.B. radio ...
more idiots than genuine contributers to the group!

It seem that more and more people are becoming more intollerent of other
peoples "choices" and readily attack rather than encourage the sport/hobby.

.... and no doubt your is bigger and glossy than the Korando ..... and you
feel it is not to good to damage ...that again is probably down to your
value criteria. I wish you well offroading the 4xFord and hope you can
afford to pay for repairs ...

It really is a pity this NG is going to the dogs .. I will NEVER AGAIN POST
TO THIS NEWS GROUP.

Nivaone


"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gzwe9v.1xoaugwk4y5y9N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Nivaone <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > How many times do I have to say it ... because I want to offroad AGAIN
and
> > the Korando is too good to damage.
>
> That's a ****e excuse, given the value of it, you may as well offroad
> it. Unless of course what you are tryi9ng to say is that it's ****e off
> road, in which case why would anyone want to swap a capable off-roader
> for a car that is neither good on road nor off it?
>
> I take a nicely painted 4xFord off road most days of the week, it's
> larger and more glossy than the Korando and it's not "too good to
> damage'.
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:36:28 +0100, "Nivaone"
<[email protected]> wrote:

->It really is a pity this NG is going to the dogs .. I will NEVER AGAIN POST
->TO THIS NEWS GROUP.

Sadly Graham this group has been going to the dogs for some time, I only check
it from time to time and very rarely post, the same is true of most usenet
groups now.

Funny how it's the same names that appear over and over again stirring up the
trouble, this did used to be a fun place to be, and one where the regulars used
to meet in real life for offroading and beer, I guess those that have ruined it
have no real life so they ruin it for those of us that do.

Sad innit, I know you've had a tough time of it of late Graham so I hope you
find your Land Rover and enjoy using it offroad.


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

On 2005-07-18, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> That's a ****e excuse, given the value of it, you may as well
> offroad it. Unless of course what you are tryi9ng to say is that
> it's ****e off road, in which case why would anyone want to swap a
> capable off-roader for a car that is neither good on road nor off
> it?

Ignore Steve, he was plainly abused by a landrover when a small child.

> I take a nicely painted 4xFord off road most days of the week, it's
> larger and more glossy than the Korando and it's not "too good to
> damage'.

Hmm, you off-road regularly in a nicely-painted car and it's still
nicely-painted? Where is this off-roading done, on the kerb at
Sainsbury's? Perhaps the OP wants to actually go off-road properly,
which needs something a little more capable than a chelsea tractor.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

In article <[email protected]>, Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2005-07-18, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Ignore Steve, he was plainly abused by a landrover when a small child.
>

Still got some growing up to do too!

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

Nivaone <[email protected]> wrote:

> I will NEVER AGAIN POST TO THIS NEWS GROUP.

Don't let the door hit your arse.

Do you always have a hissy fit when someone disagrees with you?

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759