Freelander 1 Speedo Or Sat Nat?

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Tiny1000

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Hello I've a Freelander 1 2001 TD4 going along the motorway yesterday my Sat Nat was reading at 72mph and my speedo was reading 80mph...quite a difference, I have 16" alloys with 215/65R16 tyres, are the tyres wrong and causing the difference in the readings or do I need to look elseware for a fault (if so where?) - Cheers
 
That's about right imo, speedos generally over read about 10% or so in most cars.
 
Hello I've a Freelander 1 2001 TD4 going along the motorway yesterday my Sat Nat was reading at 72mph and my speedo was reading 80mph...quite a difference, I have 16" alloys with 215/65R16 tyres, are the tyres wrong and causing the difference in the readings or do I need to look elseware for a fault (if so where?) - Cheers

Both your sat nav and speedo were breaking the speed limit. If you are going up and down hills sat navs are not accurate. The speedo may also be slightly out. But as long as it does not indicate less than the actual speed it is legal. :D:D
 
Sat navs work oft 3 or more satellite transmitters which gives a 3d position so up/down hill doesn't make a difference.
 
Both your sat nav and speedo were breaking the speed limit. If you are going up and down hills sat navs are not accurate. The speedo may also be slightly out. But as long as it does not indicate less than the actual speed it is legal. :D:D

Sat nav speed is more accurate than the vehicle speedometer, regardless of going up hill or down hill.
 
I have, it makes no difference to the speed indicated on the nav.
Who would drive on a mountain road at motorway speeds anyway?
Sorry but you are wrong a GPS measures time between two points and calculates speed from time taken to cover that distance, if you are going up or down an hill those two points are closer together than the distance travelled up or down the incline. Therefore the speed reading is incorrect. Only slightly maybe but incorrect never the less.
 
Sorry but you are wrong a GPS measures time between two points and calculates speed from time taken to cover that distance, if you are going up or down an hill those two points are closer together than the distance travelled up or down the incline. Therefore the speed reading is incorrect. Only slightly maybe but incorrect never the less.
Sat navs use at least 3 satellites to create a 3d position. Hence going up/down hill doesn't count. Yer sat nav will also tell yer height above sea level anorl.
 
Sat navs use at least 3 satellites to create a 3d position. Hence going up/down hill doesn't count. Yer sat nav will also tell yer height above sea level anorl.

Clever bloody things then do they brew up when you get to where you're going? :D:D
 
It is true that SatNavs do know your 3d location but most work in 2d only. They ignore the height in all distance and speed calculations and effectively treat the world as flat.
GPS height is a bit of a lottery anyway - I work for a company that does vehicle location as part of its core products.
 
The speedo is the legal requirement not the sat nav. Before 2001 speedos had to be within + or - 10% at 30 MPH. That is why all speed cameras are set at +10% +2 MPH. As from 2001 speedos cannot indicate slower than the actual road speed. But they can indicate 10% faster than actual road speed. So at any indicated speed the actual road speed can be lower than indicated but never higher. Tyre deflection with load, tyre wear reduce the rolling radius of the wheel so that is the reason for the allowance below indicated. On a vehicle made in or after 2001 fitting larger wheels and tyres that increase the rolling radius makes the vehicle illegal to drive on roads within Europe, because that will cause the speedo to indicate a slower speed than actual road speed..
 
My sat nav must be working in 3d then as when I move it up or down it goes up/down by 1 meter. :)
 
My sat nav must be working in 3d then as when I move it up or down it goes up/down by 1 meter. :)
The X and y potion (ie longitude and lat) will be accurate due to triangulation, and more so the more satellite signals it receives. The z ( height) will vary and is only really accurate when confirming via a base station
The speedo is the legal requirement not the sat nav. Before 2001 speedos had to be within + or - 10% at 30 MPH. That is why all speed cameras are set at +10% +2 MPH. As from 2001 speedos cannot indicate slower than the actual road speed. But they can indicate 10% faster than actual road speed. So at any indicated speed the actual road speed can be lower than indicated but never higher. Tyre deflection with load, tyre wear reduce the rolling radius of the wheel so that is the reason for the allowance below indicated. On a vehicle made in or after 2001 fitting larger wheels and tyres that increase the rolling radius makes the vehicle illegal to drive on roads within Europe, because that will cause the speedo to indicate a slower speed than actual road speed..
APCO guidelines were used as a guide for speed cameras, they however do not have to have 10%+2mph as their capture reading.
 
The X and y potion (ie longitude and lat) will be accurate due to triangulation, and more so the more satellite signals it receives. The z ( height) will vary and is only really accurate when confirming via a base station.
Complete rubbish. xyz graphs are easily calculated using maths (trigonometry) against time and the tolerance must be good as 1m changes by 1m interval when manually moving up/down. It doesn't use xy then z, it uses xyz. The satellites are orbiting in xyz themselves around our planet (ask young porky). You never know where you are in the 1 meter unless you slowly move to the edge of it. It was bought in 2006. I will film it for the non believers.
 
Complete rubbish. xyz graphs are easily calculated using maths (trigonometry) against time and the tolerance must be good as 1m changes by 1m interval when manually moving up/down. It doesn't use xy then z, it uses xyz. The satellites are orbiting in xyz themselves around our planet (ask young porky). You never know where you are in the 1 meter unless you slowly move to the edge of it. It was bought in 2006. I will film it for the non believers.
Think what you like but that's the way it works. The z will be within a reasonable ballpark but not comparable to the X and y accuracy. Surveying gps use local base stations or wap enabled units to correct the z position.
 
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