SJ410 / V6

Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting to
put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion, Is
there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
into?

TIA

Paranoid7

"Paranoid7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting to
> put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion,
Is
> there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
> into?
>
> TIA
>
> Paranoid7
>

Let's put aside the problems that the SJ transmission might have with a
'slight' increase in BHP...
There are other things to consider first like:

Will the V6 & auto box physically fit in the SJ?
How high will the V6 have to be mounted to clear the front diff?
Will the V6&box combo fit without moving the transfer box backwards?
How do you plan on up-rating the front suspension to cope with the extra
weight?

You'll also have to seriously modify the transmission tunnel, find room for
a much bigger radiator and acquire a huge supply of 'spare' diffs, transfer
boxes, half-shafts, etc, etc.

Simon H

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:29:44 +0100, "Paranoid7"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting to
>put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion, Is
>there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
>into?

I can't help you, but I'd love to see it when it's finished!

--
QrizB

I sound like I know what I'm talking about, but don't
be fooled.

"Paranoid7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting to
> put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion,
Is
> there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
> into?
>
> TIA
>
> Paranoid7
>
> I can envisage that you will run into lots of things with all that extra
power and weight.
Best of Luck.

Paranoid7 ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

> Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting
> to put it in my SJ

Oh. My. Gawd.

> anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion

"and still alive to tell the tale..."

Can I have a go when it's done? Please? Pretty please?

"Simon H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Paranoid7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting
to
> > put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this
conversion,
> Is
> > there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
> > into?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Paranoid7
> >
>
> Let's put aside the problems that the SJ transmission might have with a
> 'slight' increase in BHP...
> There are other things to consider first like:
>
> Will the V6 & auto box physically fit in the SJ?
> How high will the V6 have to be mounted to clear the front diff?
> Will the V6&box combo fit without moving the transfer box backwards?
> How do you plan on up-rating the front suspension to cope with the extra
> weight?
>
> You'll also have to seriously modify the transmission tunnel, find room
for
> a much bigger radiator and acquire a huge supply of 'spare' diffs,
transfer
> boxes, half-shafts, etc, etc.
>
> Simon H

I've seen pictures of SJ's with a big block chevy engine in the engine bay,
the grill need to be modded for the pullies to fit in, and the ford engine
isnt that much bigger than most engine converstions, running a tape measure
over the engine and engine bay there would appear to be loads of room
althought not totally convinced about the tranny tunnel.

As for the diffs, i think they could handle 100 -150 bhp, seen them handle
much more, but i guess time will tell.

Not sure about the difference in wieght between the two engines, not found
any fact or figures yet, not something i considered - thanks

Also not sure about how high i need to mount engine to clear diff tops, but
im not that worried as there is 'some' room for adjustment ( i can see a big
hole in top of bonnet coming....)

Thanks for the advice,
Para
>

>
>

"Adrian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Paranoid7 ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
> > Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting
> > to put it in my SJ
>
> Oh. My. Gawd.
>
> > anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion
>
> "and still alive to tell the tale..."
>
> Can I have a go when it's done? Please? Pretty please?

Sure, bend it you mend it though...
Para

Another angle

1. Remove bonnet.
2. Remove SJ engine
3. Remove ALL seats from inside.
4. Fit Driver seat onto SJ engine mounts.
5. Fit V6 mid position where seating was.

clanger

"Paranoid7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting to
> put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion,
Is
> there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
> into?
>
> TIA
>
> Paranoid7
>
>

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:29:44 +0100, "Paranoid7" <[email protected]> wrote:

->Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting to
->put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion, Is
->there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
->into?

It will fit, however the Ford V6 is very heavy so it's far to nose heavy for any
serious off road use, you will need to make serious mods to the transmittion
tunnel, the rad will have to go in the back, you'll need a SPOA (to clear the
sump) and you'll need Bedford Rascall rear spings on the front to cope with the
weight (you'll need to re-locate the mounts are the springs are a couple of
inches longer) there is probably more but that's off the top of my head.

I ran a highly modified Ford X-flow, tested to 130bhp, in a 410 for a number of
years, got through a few rear diffs, biggest problem I had was rear props, used
to burst the yolks open, not a problem if you carry a spare ;-)

--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

"Geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:29:44 +0100, "Paranoid7" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> ->Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting
to
> ->put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this
conversion, Is
> ->there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
> ->into?
>
> It will fit, however the Ford V6 is very heavy so it's far to nose heavy
for any
> serious off road use, you will need to make serious mods to the
transmittion
> tunnel, the rad will have to go in the back, you'll need a SPOA (to clear
the
> sump) and you'll need Bedford Rascall rear spings on the front to cope
with the
> weight (you'll need to re-locate the mounts are the springs are a couple
of
> inches longer) there is probably more but that's off the top of my head.
>
> I ran a highly modified Ford X-flow, tested to 130bhp, in a 410 for a
number of
> years, got through a few rear diffs, biggest problem I had was rear props,
used
> to burst the yolks open, not a problem if you carry a spare ;-)
>
> --
> Geoff
> www.anoraks.uk.net

Thx for the advice geoff, one question though...was a 'SPOA'?
thx again

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:23:23 +0100, "Paranoid7"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Thx for the advice geoff, one question though...was a 'SPOA'?
>thx again

SPring Over Axle. Geoff's far to self-effacing to recommend his own
howto for this conversion, so please allow me:

http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/samurai/ukspoa.htm

--
QrizB

I sound like I know what I'm talking about, but don't
be fooled.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:42:58 GMT, [email protected] (QrizB) wrote:

->On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:23:23 +0100, "Paranoid7"
-><[email protected]> wrote:
->
->>Thx for the advice geoff, one question though...was a 'SPOA'?
->>thx again
->
->SPring Over Axle. Geoff's far to self-effacing to recommend his own
->howto for this conversion, so please allow me:
->
->http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/samurai/ukspoa.htm

Not my conversion as such, I just thought of a cheap way of doing it ;-)

If Mr Paranoid is thinking of doing it that page is very out of date and the
method has been improved over the years.

--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

I'm in the process of trying to shoehorn a Ford 2.9i V6 into a Vitara at
the moment (along with a lot of other things) I think your biggest
problem will be the length of the engine and gearbox, this will require
you to move the transfer box back quite a long way resulting in a very
short rear prop which will limit suspension travel a lot.
As a result I'm going to use a manual gearbox (if I can ever find one to
fit anyone got anything lying around??)
If its an injection you've got make sure you get the wiring loom, your
gonna need it!!

Paranoid7 wrote:
> Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting to
> put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion, Is
> there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
> into?
>
> TIA
>
> Paranoid7
>
>

Sounds more appropriate treatment for a V-12 conversion.

But I have seen a pic of a Suzuki Jimney with a Dodge V-10 engine and
coustom made gearbox running Dana 60 axles and 44 inch tyres.

Musta cost near on half a million or more to modify, but imagine something
that light and nimble with that power!!!


"Clanger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Another angle
>
> 1. Remove bonnet.
> 2. Remove SJ engine
> 3. Remove ALL seats from inside.
> 4. Fit Driver seat onto SJ engine mounts.
> 5. Fit V6 mid position where seating was.
>
> clanger
>
> "Paranoid7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting
to
> > put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this
conversion,
> Is
> > there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
> > into?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Paranoid7
> >
> >
>
>

In article <[email protected]>, Geoff
<[email protected]> writes
>On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:29:44 +0100, "Paranoid7" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>->Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a Granada V6 auto, and wanting to
>->put it in my SJ, anybody got any advice or experience in this conversion, Is
>->there anything I should watch out for, any possible problems I might run
>->into?
>
Hi.
The last time I saw this done, The engine and gearbox had been
mid-mounted? just behind the seats. The SJ was built for display/stunt
use! Good luck with your conversion

All The Best.
--
Tim Bluck <www.qq22.net>