Shogun Starting probs

Turns over and over in the morning before starting.
When it starts it kicks out a load of whitish smoke.

After the morning start it starts fine and has less smoke on startup.

I've charged the battery which made it better.
Its a 2.8 diesel and the problem first started in France.

My diagnosis is a) Flat battery (not enough to notice but enough not to
start it.)
b) Dodgy diesel (French)
c) some sort of compression problem
d) faulty glow plugs

Ok what do you lot think?

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"Linger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Turns over and over in the morning before starting.
> When it starts it kicks out a load of whitish smoke.
>
> After the morning start it starts fine and has less smoke on startup.
>
> I've charged the battery which made it better.
> Its a 2.8 diesel and the problem first started in France.
>
> My diagnosis is a) Flat battery (not enough to notice but enough not to
> start it.)
> b) Dodgy diesel (French)
> c) some sort of compression problem
> d) faulty glow plugs
>
> Ok what do you lot think?
>
> --
> Linger
>

Are you getting water spraying out of the overflow for the radiator? sounds
like the beginning of a bad head gasket to me.

rhys

rnf2 wrote:

> Are you getting water spraying out of the overflow for the radiator?
> sounds like the beginning of a bad head gasket to me.

Nope. Wouldn't that cause other problems?
Apart from the starting it runs great. And once its started there isn't any
other starting problems

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sorry, but i would agree with rnf2, check compressions in each cylinder. Had
identical problem with my sons car only just recently.

clanger

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> rnf2 wrote:
>
> > Are you getting water spraying out of the overflow for the radiator?
> > sounds like the beginning of a bad head gasket to me.
>
> Nope. Wouldn't that cause other problems?
> Apart from the starting it runs great. And once its started there isn't
any
> other starting problems
>
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Linger wrote:
> Turns over and over in the morning before starting.

I don't know about the white smoke but the rest of
the problem could be a perished fuel hose. Overnight
enough fuel oozes out that the first start of the
day effectively has to prime the system.

It's happened to me, recently, but that was with
a petrol engine. The signs should be obvious if
this is what's happening.

-- Steve

Linger wrote:
> Turns over and over in the morning before starting.
> When it starts it kicks out a load of whitish smoke.
>
> After the morning start it starts fine and has less smoke on startup.
>
> I've charged the battery which made it better.
> Its a 2.8 diesel and the problem first started in France.
>
> My diagnosis is a) Flat battery (not enough to notice but enough not
> to start it.)
> b) Dodgy diesel (French)
> c) some sort of compression problem
> d) faulty glow plugs
>
> Ok what do you lot think?

Faulty glow plugs would me my bet.
The smoke is unburnt fuel.
When it is firing up, is it "rougher" for a few seconds then smothes out?


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Smokin..o0O wrote:
> Linger wrote:
>> Turns over and over in the morning before starting.
>> When it starts it kicks out a load of whitish smoke.
>>
>> After the morning start it starts fine and has less smoke on startup.
>>
>> I've charged the battery which made it better.
>> Its a 2.8 diesel and the problem first started in France.
>>
>> My diagnosis is a) Flat battery (not enough to notice but enough not
>> to start it.)
>> b) Dodgy diesel (French)
>> c) some sort of compression problem
>> d) faulty glow plugs
>>
>> Ok what do you lot think?
>
> Faulty glow plugs would me my bet.
> The smoke is unburnt fuel.
> When it is firing up, is it "rougher" for a few seconds then smothes
> out?

yep, when it is slightly warm it runs and start like a dream. It's only
first thing and only on cold mornings.

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Yep without a doubt Glowplugs
Ploggo
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> Smokin..o0O wrote:
> > Linger wrote:
> >> Turns over and over in the morning before starting.
> >> When it starts it kicks out a load of whitish smoke.
> >>
> >> After the morning start it starts fine and has less smoke on startup.
> >>
> >> I've charged the battery which made it better.
> >> Its a 2.8 diesel and the problem first started in France.
> >>
> >> My diagnosis is a) Flat battery (not enough to notice but enough not
> >> to start it.)
> >> b) Dodgy diesel (French)
> >> c) some sort of compression problem
> >> d) faulty glow plugs
> >>
> >> Ok what do you lot think?
> >
> > Faulty glow plugs would me my bet.
> > The smoke is unburnt fuel.
> > When it is firing up, is it "rougher" for a few seconds then smothes
> > out?
>
> yep, when it is slightly warm it runs and start like a dream. It's only
> first thing and only on cold mornings.
>
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Ploggo wrote:
> Yep without a doubt Glowplugs

Got them on order for Tuesday.
Hope it starts on Monday

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WHITE smoke Cold Engine Unburnt Fuel
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> Ploggo wrote:
> > Yep without a doubt Glowplugs
>
> Got them on order for Tuesday.
> Hope it starts on Monday
>
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> Linger
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"Linger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Turns over and over in the morning before starting.
> When it starts it kicks out a load of whitish smoke.
>
> After the morning start it starts fine and has less smoke on startup.
>
> I've charged the battery which made it better.
> Its a 2.8 diesel and the problem first started in France.
>
> My diagnosis is a) Flat battery (not enough to notice but enough not to
> start it.)
> b) Dodgy diesel (French)
> c) some sort of compression problem
> d) faulty glow plugs
>
> Ok what do you lot think?
>
Almost certainly glowplugs, or glowplug relay.

I'd go with glowplugs.

Try a search on, http://www.pocuk.com

It's the Pajero club site, but they are close enough to have the same
problems, a lot of people are reporting bad glowplugs now the weather has
got cooler.

Cheers


"Linger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Turns over and over in the morning before starting.
> When it starts it kicks out a load of whitish smoke.
>
> After the morning start it starts fine and has less smoke on startup.
>
> I've charged the battery which made it better.
> Its a 2.8 diesel and the problem first started in France.
>
> My diagnosis is a) Flat battery (not enough to notice but enough not to
> start it.)
> b) Dodgy diesel (French)
> c) some sort of compression problem
> d) faulty glow plugs
>
> Ok what do you lot think?
>
> --
> Linger
> CBR 900RR ( The future's bright, the future's orange)
> BOTAFOF#43 |SKOGA#(can't find the number) |BBB#4 |BHaLC#7
> Remove the mistake to reply.
>
>

"Graeme Hendry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Turns over and over in the morning before starting.
> > When it starts it kicks out a load of whitish smoke.
> > After the morning start it starts fine and has less smoke on startup.

> I'd go with glowplugs.>
> It's the Pajero club site, but they are close enough to have the same
> problems, a lot of people are reporting bad glowplugs now the weather has
> got cooler.

Exactly the same symptoms as my 3.0D Trooper last winter. Three glow plugs
were faulty and were replaced - its fine now.

Cheers
Andrew Kay