Sad day - broke down. No go!!

auf_wiedersehen_pet · Feb 26, 2013

Left work at 5:00 and at an M-way junction the Disco stuttered/lurched abit. I thought it might be the torque converter as the past couple of days on the M27 it wouldn't lock up. Any way, five miles later it lurched and stopped in the middle of the A27.

Feck!!!

Put in a gallon of diesel, hooked up swmbo's Avensis. Loads of spinning but absolutely no attempt to fire up.

Breakdown Company called. Lots of poking and proding - no joy. Plenty of turning but still no starting. Just been recovered home and got back at 10:00. Five hours to do seven miles.

The plan is to get it lifted to my garage tomorrow. Before I leave my mechanic to explore - is there anything obvious to check? I'm off to bed to warm up so I'll catch you guys tomorrow.

Thanks in advance.

Dr_evil · Feb 26, 2013

is it getting fuel

?

Dippypud · Feb 26, 2013

Diesel or petrol ?

and did you run it right out of fuel ?

Might need LOTS of bleeding out ...

iwantone · Feb 27, 2013

Timing belt?

KiwiTDI · Feb 27, 2013

Mine failed to start today, 3rd time, this time it didnt fix itself before i could check what was wrong and the fuel stop solenoid is getting volts but not enough power to make it work. This could be your problem, either the solenoid is not working or power not getting to it easy check is to hot wire it and see if it wlill start .....this assumes you have a diesel....

You can also remove the solenoid and replace it without the spring but ive not tried that myself, if you try that you have to stall it to get the engine to stop.

hifly · Feb 27, 2013

KiwiTDI said:
this assumes you have a diesel....

You can also remove the solenoid and replace it without the spring but ive not tried that myself, if you try that you have to stall it to get the engine to stop.

he says he put diesel in it so i suspect its a diesel,

How do you stall an auto?

Mark L · Feb 27, 2013

auf_wiedersehen_pet said:
Left work at 5:00 and at an M-way junction the Disco stuttered/lurched abit. I thought it might be the torque converter as the past couple of days on the M27 it wouldn't lock up. Any way, five miles later it lurched and stopped in the middle of the A27.

Feck!!!

That happened to mine - turned out to be the lift pump.

thought it was mine! · Feb 27, 2013

auf_wiedersehen_pet said:
Left work at 5:00 and at an M-way junction the Disco stuttered/lurched abit. I thought it might be the torque converter as the past couple of days on the M27 it wouldn't lock up. Any way, five miles later it lurched and stopped in the middle of the A27.

Feck!!!

Put in a gallon of diesel, hooked up swmbo's Avensis. Loads of spinning but absolutely no attempt to fire up.

Breakdown Company called. Lots of poking and proding - no joy. Plenty of turning but still no starting. Just been recovered home and got back at 10:00. Five hours to do seven miles.

The plan is to get it lifted to my garage tomorrow. Before I leave my mechanic to explore - is there anything obvious to check? I'm off to bed to warm up so I'll catch you guys tomorrow.

Thanks in advance.

fuel pump

auf_wiedersehen_pet · Feb 27, 2013

Dr_evil said:
is it getting fuel ?

The patrol man didn't seem too bothered about finding out but I guess the answer is no although he did prime it with the rubber knobby jobby on the filter without any joy.

Dippypud said:
Diesel or petrol ?

and did you run it right out of fuel ?

Might need LOTS of bleeding out ...

Diesel and not out of fuel.

iwantone said:
Timing belt?

Only time will tell.

KiwiTDI said:
Mine failed to start today, 3rd time, this time it didnt fix itself before i could check what was wrong and the fuel stop solenoid is getting volts but not enough power to make it work. This could be your problem, either the solenoid is not working or power not getting to it easy check is to hot wire it and see if it wlill start .....this assumes you have a diesel....

You can also remove the solenoid and replace it without the spring but ive not tried that myself, if you try that you have to stall it to get the engine to stop.

Interesting. It's gone to the garage so I'll send him a copy of this thread.

hifly said:
he says he put diesel in it so i suspect its a diesel,

How do you stall an auto?

It's easy, just wait until you are on a single carriageway road with a central reservation then it stalls on its own, completely blocking the road.

Mark L said:
That happened to mine - turned out to be the lift pump.

How much did a replacement cost?

thought it was mine! said:
fuel pump

How much did a replacement cost?

Not wanting to sound thick (oops, too late), what's the difference between a lift pump and a fuel pump?

Mark L · Feb 27, 2013

auf_wiedersehen_pet said:
How much did a replacement cost?

Nothing, as I took it off the one I scrapped.

On a more helpful note:

discovery 300 lift pump | eBay

Jay reKx · Feb 27, 2013

delphi lift pump about £25 on ebay when I last looked.

try locking an auto in a high gear and driving slowly at a steep hill. easy peasy to stall

auf_wiedersehen_pet · Feb 27, 2013

Mark L said:
Nothing, as I took it off the one I scrapped.

On a more helpful note:

discovery 300 lift pump | eBay

Cheers Mark - not too bad on price. I'm not sure I've got one on my TGV but I guess it's a diesel engine at the end of the day so it probably does.

discool · Feb 27, 2013

Jay reKx said:
delphi lift pump about £25 on ebay when I last looked.

try locking an auto in a high gear and driving slowly at a steep hill. easy peasy to stall

U don't drive an automatic do you.

Perhaps you can tell me how to lock an automatic gearbox in a high gear?

Also without a bit of throttle on a steep hill an automatic is not going to move but still the engine won't stall and just stay at tick over.

MPfive · Feb 27, 2013

Without going off topic too much. I've seen a few autos stall at rtv's,all of them on a steep climb going slowly. Hope you get it sorted,Im surprised its gone wrong. How many miles have you done since the new lump was fitted?

auf_wiedersehen_pet · Feb 27, 2013

MPfive said:
Hope you get it sorted,Im surprised its gone wrong. How many miles have you done since the new lump was fitted?

Off the top of my head - about 6k.

discool · Feb 27, 2013

MPfive said:
Without going off topic too much. I've seen a few autos stall at rtv's,all of them on a steep climb going slowly. Hope you get it sorted,Im surprised its gone wrong. How many miles have you done since the new lump was fitted?

If the idle speed is incorrect ( to low) the engine will stall, that must say something about the state of the vehicles at rtv,s.

discodrivercumbria · Feb 27, 2013

when you know the part your after? can you not get the part off TGV?, just read there web page, and it looks as though you can

MPfive · Feb 27, 2013

auf_wiedersehen_pet said:
Off the top of my head - about 6k.

Lets hope its something simple,have you got hold of the people that converted it?

godzilla84 · Feb 27, 2013

Can you post a photo of the drivers side of your engine? Seeing as how the TGV is a beefed up 300tdi I'd expect the lift pump to be the same.

godzilla84 · Feb 27, 2013

Found a pic on your build thread. Lift pump looks the same as a standard one. It shouldn't have failed after 6k miles but its less than 5 minute job to swap. I didn't even have to bleed my fuel system when I did mine.

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