Rebuild Trans

Does anyone know what the range is for rebuilding a trans on a '91 Toy
4x4? I imagine there are different levels of "rebuilding" from
repairing bands or whatnot to revamping the whole thing. So depending
on what's wrong, would I be looking at anywhere from, say,
$1000-$2400? Is that an accurate ballpark?

TIA
Stacey

I think you would find 1k on the unlikely low side.
"Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know what the range is for rebuilding a trans on a '91 Toy
> 4x4? I imagine there are different levels of "rebuilding" from
> repairing bands or whatnot to revamping the whole thing. So depending
> on what's wrong, would I be looking at anywhere from, say,
> $1000-$2400? Is that an accurate ballpark?
>
> TIA
> Stacey




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what bout if u go to a junk yard to just take 1 off another truck? will save
u lots
"Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does anyone know what the range is for rebuilding a trans on a '91 Toy
> 4x4? I imagine there are different levels of "rebuilding" from
> repairing bands or whatnot to revamping the whole thing. So depending
> on what's wrong, would I be looking at anywhere from, say,
> $1000-$2400? Is that an accurate ballpark?
>
> TIA
> Stacey

"James BIGFOOT Holloway" kindly wrote:

> what bout if u go to a junk yard to just take 1 off another truck? will save
> u lots

Thanks for the suggestion but I don't have the know-how to do this,
and would be wary of taking a trans off a junked vehicle.

Thanks to David J again too...

Stacey

It will cost u a lot less to do it this way then to re build ur gearbox.
Even if u got somebody to take it off for you.
"Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "James BIGFOOT Holloway" kindly wrote:
>
> > what bout if u go to a junk yard to just take 1 off another truck? will
save
> > u lots
>
> Thanks for the suggestion but I don't have the know-how to do this,
> and would be wary of taking a trans off a junked vehicle.
>
> Thanks to David J again too...
>
> Stacey
>
>

"James BIGFOOT Holloway" <[email protected]> kindly
wrote:

> It will cost u a lot less to do it this way then to re build ur gearbox.
> Even if u got somebody to take it off for you.

.... yeah, I see your point. It would probably end up being half the
cost of a rebuild. But I don't know anyone to ask, and it could be a
waste of money since the tranny off the junked vehicle would not be
cheap and would not be guaranteed. (I imagine even a salvaged 4x4
trans runs somewhere around $800, though I could be way off.)

Stacey

hello
what bout if u get a 4x4 mag? and have a look around the adverts? Somebody
must sell them second hand witha guaranteed??


"Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "James BIGFOOT Holloway" <[email protected]> kindly
> wrote:
>
> > It will cost u a lot less to do it this way then to re build ur gearbox.
> > Even if u got somebody to take it off for you.
>
> ... yeah, I see your point. It would probably end up being half the
> cost of a rebuild. But I don't know anyone to ask, and it could be a
> waste of money since the tranny off the junked vehicle would not be
> cheap and would not be guaranteed. (I imagine even a salvaged 4x4
> trans runs somewhere around $800, though I could be way off.)
>
> Stacey

Stacey, up here in NY all the salvage yards give at least a 30 day guaranty
on drive train parts, but you still don't know if it is bad, the diff could
be the problem especially with the evidence of metal in the unit, if this is
from the spider gears, it would not move at times like you experienced.
"James BIGFOOT Holloway" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> hello
> what bout if u get a 4x4 mag? and have a look around the adverts? Somebody
> must sell them second hand witha guaranteed??
>
>
> "Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "James BIGFOOT Holloway" <[email protected]> kindly
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It will cost u a lot less to do it this way then to re build ur
gearbox.
> > > Even if u got somebody to take it off for you.
> >
> > ... yeah, I see your point. It would probably end up being half the
> > cost of a rebuild. But I don't know anyone to ask, and it could be a
> > waste of money since the tranny off the junked vehicle would not be
> > cheap and would not be guaranteed. (I imagine even a salvaged 4x4
> > trans runs somewhere around $800, though I could be way off.)
> >
> > Stacey
>
>




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"David J and Lynne J Shepherd" <[email protected]> kindly wrote:

> Stacey, up here in NY all the salvage yards give at least a 30 day guaranty
> on drive train parts, but you still don't know if it is bad, the diff could
> be the problem especially with the evidence of metal in the unit, if this is
> from the spider gears, it would not move at times like you experienced.

Yeah, I can see that...good point. And the plot thickens b/c:

I just got back from the mechanics and he was saying it doesn't make
sense that I only heard the whine once three weeks ago, and that it
stopped after that. That once a rear end goes, it goes. It might start
whining softly, then get louder with time, but it doesn't kick in LOUD
then disappear the next day and not reoccur!

So my Dad and he came up with a theory... the mechanic brought over
one of the bearing "wheels" and although we couldn't view the bearings
themselves (b/c they are sealed in this wheel), he could feel by
turning it that there was a bad spot on the side with the bad seal
(where the diff oil was leaking into). He says the diff oil likely
washed all the grease out of the bearings, and that if some debri got
in there, the whine I heard could have been the bearing 'going bad'
from the friction... and the silver in the axle and diff oil could
have been bearing material -- not gear material. !!! YAY!!! That would
explain why I heard the noise all the way home, and even when backing
up, but that why the next day (after the bearings cooled maybe and
shifted to displace the debri) the noise disappeared and hasn't come
back. He refilled the diff with oil and the truck drives great. And
like I said, it hasn't whined since that one night a few weeks ago.

So I'll drive it around town here for a month or so, then pull the
bottom diff plug (use the filler plug to keep the new oil in there)
and check for more silver. If it *was* from the bearing any residual
stuff I find should reduce with time as I clean off the plug and
re-check again after another period. If it's the rear end going
though, I should find lots of material and it will only get worse. And
in the midst of that I guess I'll see if the trans acts up, but so far
it was just that one weird episode. Otherwise it shifts great and
never lunges or lags (i.e. does not feel worn). Even the mechanic
doesn't understand it cause the truck runs so great!

I'M SO HAPPY THERE'S A CHANCE I CAN KEEP IT!
I love this truck! (Sorry for emoting.) Here's a pic if you're
interested:

http://www.tanked.netfirms.com/toy4x4.html

Thanks so much for helping me. If you made it reading this far, I'd be
interested to know your thoughts on the theory... sound possible?

Stacey

I would pull the diff and take a good look at it, especially with the
evidence of metal in it, this is not a big deal, then all the conjecture
about what might be wrong will be cleared up. Worst case it is bad, you get
a used one and have the ring and pinion replaced in that one, matching the
front diff gears, the ratio will be marked on the ring gear or can be
figured by counting the ring gear teeth and dividing them by the number of
gears on the pinion. I still think it is too concidental that you would have
a bad trans and diff at the same time.
"Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "David J and Lynne J Shepherd" <[email protected]> kindly wrote:
>
> > Stacey, up here in NY all the salvage yards give at least a 30 day
guaranty
> > on drive train parts, but you still don't know if it is bad, the diff
could
> > be the problem especially with the evidence of metal in the unit, if
this is
> > from the spider gears, it would not move at times like you experienced.
>
> Yeah, I can see that...good point. And the plot thickens b/c:
>
> I just got back from the mechanics and he was saying it doesn't make
> sense that I only heard the whine once three weeks ago, and that it
> stopped after that. That once a rear end goes, it goes. It might start
> whining softly, then get louder with time, but it doesn't kick in LOUD
> then disappear the next day and not reoccur!
>
> So my Dad and he came up with a theory... the mechanic brought over
> one of the bearing "wheels" and although we couldn't view the bearings
> themselves (b/c they are sealed in this wheel), he could feel by
> turning it that there was a bad spot on the side with the bad seal
> (where the diff oil was leaking into). He says the diff oil likely
> washed all the grease out of the bearings, and that if some debri got
> in there, the whine I heard could have been the bearing 'going bad'
> from the friction... and the silver in the axle and diff oil could
> have been bearing material -- not gear material. !!! YAY!!! That would
> explain why I heard the noise all the way home, and even when backing
> up, but that why the next day (after the bearings cooled maybe and
> shifted to displace the debri) the noise disappeared and hasn't come
> back. He refilled the diff with oil and the truck drives great. And
> like I said, it hasn't whined since that one night a few weeks ago.
>
> So I'll drive it around town here for a month or so, then pull the
> bottom diff plug (use the filler plug to keep the new oil in there)
> and check for more silver. If it *was* from the bearing any residual
> stuff I find should reduce with time as I clean off the plug and
> re-check again after another period. If it's the rear end going
> though, I should find lots of material and it will only get worse. And
> in the midst of that I guess I'll see if the trans acts up, but so far
> it was just that one weird episode. Otherwise it shifts great and
> never lunges or lags (i.e. does not feel worn). Even the mechanic
> doesn't understand it cause the truck runs so great!
>
> I'M SO HAPPY THERE'S A CHANCE I CAN KEEP IT!
> I love this truck! (Sorry for emoting.) Here's a pic if you're
> interested:
>
> http://www.tanked.netfirms.com/toy4x4.html
>
> Thanks so much for helping me. If you made it reading this far, I'd be
> interested to know your thoughts on the theory... sound possible?
>
> Stacey




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"James BIGFOOT Holloway" <[email protected]> kindly
wrote:

> hello
> what bout if u get a 4x4 mag? and have a look around the adverts? Somebody
> must sell them second hand witha guaranteed??

That's a good idea, thank you. I get a 4x4 mag mailed here from when I
bought my nerfs. I will start checking that out... the mechanic I have
(who doesn't do trannys) said the guy he uses said a total rebuild on
a 91 Toy 4x4 would run me about $1900.

Stacey

"David J and Lynne J Shepherd" <[email protected]> kindly wrote:

> I would pull the diff and take a good look at it, especially with the
> evidence of metal in it, this is not a big deal, then all the conjecture
> about what might be wrong will be cleared up. Worst case it is bad, you get
> a used one and have the ring and pinion replaced in that one, matching the
> front diff gears, the ratio will be marked on the ring gear or can be
> figured by counting the ring gear teeth and dividing them by the number of
> gears on the pinion.

Thanks for explaining how that would work [with the re-geared diff I
have].

> I still think it is too concidental that you would have
> a bad trans and diff at the same time.

Agreed.

I'm very hopeful this will turn out okay.

Have a great night and thanks for helping.

Stacey

Stacey

hello
GLAd it seems to be sorted
BTW nice looking truck I run a modded suzuki vitara
pics can be seen here
http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/ then go to other vitaras then to james holloway



"Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "James BIGFOOT Holloway" <[email protected]> kindly
> wrote:
>
> > hello
> > what bout if u get a 4x4 mag? and have a look around the adverts?
Somebody
> > must sell them second hand witha guaranteed??
>
> That's a good idea, thank you. I get a 4x4 mag mailed here from when I
> bought my nerfs. I will start checking that out... the mechanic I have
> (who doesn't do trannys) said the guy he uses said a total rebuild on
> a 91 Toy 4x4 would run me about $1900.
>
> Stacey

"James BIGFOOT Holloway" <[email protected]> kindly
wrote:

> hello
> GLAd it seems to be sorted
> BTW nice looking truck I run a modded suzuki vitara
> pics can be seen here
> http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/ then go to other vitaras then to james holloway

Wow, you really get into the thick of things there don't you! Looks
like a really nice little rig. I'd never heard of a Vitara! Thanks for
those pics.

Stacey

hello
a vitara is what the US market call a SIDEKICK, or GEO TRACKER

"Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "James BIGFOOT Holloway" <[email protected]> kindly
> wrote:
>
> > hello
> > GLAd it seems to be sorted
> > BTW nice looking truck I run a modded suzuki vitara
> > pics can be seen here
> > http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/ then go to other vitaras then to james holloway
>
> Wow, you really get into the thick of things there don't you! Looks
> like a really nice little rig. I'd never heard of a Vitara! Thanks for
> those pics.
>
> Stacey
>