Re: snake oil?

On or around Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:03:19 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>I've just been on ebay buying a bioflow magnetic collar for my dog,
>he's getting arthritis problems and I use a bioflow for mine and it
>noticably helps.
>Anyway the seller also has these for the fuel line
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43119&item=7950078543
>my first reaction is, if it does inprove fuel economy then how long
>will it take to save me £40.
>my second reaction is... snake oil?

I can't see how magnets affect petrol, or diesel, come to that.

Something this morning mother (not Martyn) was reading about some marvellous
new magneting thing, wherein the "negative pole" had been "enhanced".


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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:14:09 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:03:19 +0100, MVP
><mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>I've just been on ebay buying a bioflow magnetic collar for my dog,
>>he's getting arthritis problems and I use a bioflow for mine and it
>>noticably helps.
>>Anyway the seller also has these for the fuel line
>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43119&item=7950078543
>>my first reaction is, if it does inprove fuel economy then how long
>>will it take to save me £40.
>>my second reaction is... snake oil?
>
>I can't see how magnets affect petrol, or diesel, come to that.
>
>Something this morning mother (not Martyn) was reading about some marvellous
>new magneting thing, wherein the "negative pole" had been "enhanced".

Well, it gets the swarf out of it I suppose...

There are large fleets of ships, aircraft, lorries, cars and trains
operated by commercial outfits who measure every last drop of fuel as
it is the difference between profit and loss. If you want to spend
£40 on one of these miracle products ask for three case studies in
large scale commercial applications, including the name of the person
you can contact for an opinion.

I suspect you'll suddenly have a very bad line...

I'm also interested to understand why someone with appropriate
qualifications to design and test products for veterinary pain relief
is also qualified to do the same for humans. I can see the link there
I suppose, but for that same person to also be a qualified chemical or
mechanical engineer is astounding. I'm tempted to think it's someone
who has a cheap source of magnets....

Did anyone see The Apprentice this week? They did a shopping channel
hour - everyone derided a sheet of foam masquerading as an orthopaedic
bed enhancer for £150. The foam sold out in minutes....






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Mark wrote
> Bioflow magnetic arthritis thingies do work, I use one and I know many
> others who swear by them on themselves and horses.
> However I think the company is simply trying to find new markets for
> their magnets such as that fuel thing (that ebay seller is simply an
> agent for the company) which I suspect is bow-locks.
> They also have a magnetised sheet thing for horse saddles and car
> seatbacks, in my experience there is notably less effect from my
> bioflow if I don't wear it nearly all the time so that car seatback is
> possibly also bow-locks.
>
What works for my arthritis is being stung by Stinging Nettles, anywhere on
my person. Whilst I don't go out of my way to get stung it always happens
down on the allotments with them being so overgrown (No, not my plots!).
Yes, it hurts a bit but not as much as the illness and you get used to it,
in fact, welcome it for the couple of weeks of pain relief.
Read somewhere it's to do with the immune system.

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:33:11 +0100, MVP <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:24:31 +0100, Tim Hobbs

>Bioflow magnetic arthritis thingies do work, I use one and I know many
>others who swear by them on themselves and horses.
>However I think the company is simply trying to find new markets for
>their magnets such as that fuel thing (that ebay seller is simply an
>agent for the company) which I suspect is bow-locks.
>They also have a magnetised sheet thing for horse saddles and car
>seatbacks, in my experience there is notably less effect from my
>bioflow if I don't wear it nearly all the time so that car seatback is
>possibly also bow-locks.

Bioflow fuel magnets have been around for years.
I put one on a motorcycle and got a 5% imrovement in fuel economy.
I put one on a Citroen BX Diesel that had failed the MOT on emissions,
and the next day it passed, at the same test station. Fuel econmy also
improved.
Of course, I cant prove it was the magnet, but I didn't do anything
else to the vehicles.

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:32:41 +0100, MVP <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:20:23 +0100, Colonel Tupperware
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:33:11 +0100, MVP <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:24:31 +0100, Tim Hobbs
>>
>>>Bioflow magnetic arthritis thingies do work, I use one and I know many
>>>others who swear by them on themselves and horses.
>>>However I think the company is simply trying to find new markets for
>>>their magnets such as that fuel thing (that ebay seller is simply an
>>>agent for the company) which I suspect is bow-locks.
>>>They also have a magnetised sheet thing for horse saddles and car
>>>seatbacks, in my experience there is notably less effect from my
>>>bioflow if I don't wear it nearly all the time so that car seatback is
>>>possibly also bow-locks.
>>
>>Bioflow fuel magnets have been around for years.
>>I put one on a motorcycle and got a 5% imrovement in fuel economy.
>>I put one on a Citroen BX Diesel that had failed the MOT on emissions,
>>and the next day it passed, at the same test station. Fuel econmy also
>>improved.
>>Of course, I cant prove it was the magnet, but I didn't do anything
>>else to the vehicles.
>
>is it worth £40 to you though?
>I'm all-for anything that actually works, but as well as working it's
>got to pay for itself in reasonable timeframe either in money or
>grins.
>
Well, £40 is half a tank of Diesel in the Disco (200 miles), or 2
tanks of petrol (400 miles) in the bike. So it wouldn't take that long
to get the £40 back at a 5% saving.
I dont have a magnet on either of them ATM.

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:24:31 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>mechanical engineer is astounding. I'm tempted to think it's someone
>who has a cheap source of magnets....

I can vouch for the mystical effects of magnets WRT arthritis - aint
gonna make my hip any better, though...

>Did anyone see The Apprentice this week? They did a shopping channel
>hour - everyone derided a sheet of foam masquerading as an orthopaedic
>bed enhancer for £150. The foam sold out in minutes....

Indeed, what are you going to do with all them mattresses?

On Sunday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Tim Hobbs" wrote:

> I'm also interested to understand why someone with appropriate
> qualifications to design and test products for veterinary pain relief
> is also qualified to do the same for humans. I can see the link there
> I suppose, but for that same person to also be a qualified chemical or
> mechanical engineer is astounding. I'm tempted to think it's someone
> who has a cheap source of magnets....

Oddly, it's lawful for a vet to give medical treatment to a human, but
not for a Doctor to give similar treatment to an animal. My source told
me that, as a vet, she had been trained to be very aware of how
reactions to treatment could vary; Doctors were only ever taught about
oe species.


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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:18:57 +0100 (BST), [email protected]
("David G. Bell") wrote:

>On Sunday, in article
> <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "Tim Hobbs" wrote:
>
>> I'm also interested to understand why someone with appropriate
>> qualifications to design and test products for veterinary pain relief
>> is also qualified to do the same for humans. I can see the link there
>> I suppose, but for that same person to also be a qualified chemical or
>> mechanical engineer is astounding. I'm tempted to think it's someone
>> who has a cheap source of magnets....
>
>Oddly, it's lawful for a vet to give medical treatment to a human, but
>not for a Doctor to give similar treatment to an animal. My source told
>me that, as a vet, she had been trained to be very aware of how
>reactions to treatment could vary; Doctors were only ever taught about
>oe species.

Mine are remarkably consistent. Stick something in an orifice and
they bite you....

When I first took my big dog to the vet we got a newly qualified young
woman who expressed great surprise that she got snapped at. I asked
her how _she_ would react if I put a chain round her neck and stuck a
thermometer up her arse.




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'03 Volvo V70

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:10:51 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:


> I asked
>her how _she_ would react if I put a chain round her neck and stuck a
>thermometer up her arse.
>
Well? How did she react? Gwan, you can tell us.
Some people I know could well go for that sort of thing. Apparantly.


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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:34:14 +0100, Colonel Tupperware
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Some people I know could well go for that sort of thing. Apparantly.

You, Hobbs and Davies competing to go in a Mark Varley photoshoot huh?

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:10:51 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>When I first took my big dog to the vet we got a newly qualified young
>woman who

Not the same vet I use for Max by some strange coincidence? - the
slim, attractive and very friendly women there always makes a fuss of
him - to the extent that last time he got, erm, rather 'excited'...

I was tempted to mention that I'd be the same if she tickled my tummy
like that, but thought best no to...

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:16:57 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>I was tempted to mention that I'd be the same if she tickled my tummy
>like that, but thought best no to...

She might offer the same "cure" as offered for over excitable dogs....

;-)

David

"Colonel Tupperware" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well, £40 is half a tank of Diesel in the Disco (200 miles), or 2
> tanks of petrol (400 miles) in the bike. So it wouldn't take that long
> to get the £40 back at a 5% saving.
> I dont have a magnet on either of them ATM.

But if a simple magnet could do these claims then why don't the vehicle
manufactures include them in the vehicles build in the first place...or hell
they could even have it as a n optional extra.

Lee D