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Good evening,

When I transplanted a disco 200 tdi into my 90 I bolted the N/A oil filter housing onto the tdi and did away with the oil cooler pipes purely because I couldn't afford to have them extended / buy new ones. I swapped my engine oil a couple of days ago because my lift pump had failed, allowing diesel to run straight into the block (diluting my engine oil). Since the oil change I've found that my 90 goes much better ad it pulls a lot better than it did before, obviously partly down to the improved lubrication what with the fresh oil being thicker (lack of diesel thinning it right down) and it got me thinking. Would I benefit from having my oil cooler connected up? Bearing in mind the fact that I live in the UK and these engines are designed to be working heavy loads in the hottest of countries I have never been to sure as to whether or not they are really necessary in my circumstances. Will it cool my oil and aid the lubrication of my engine, and if so - what are the benefits of having cooler / thicker oil? If the general opinion is that it will improve performance, economy and engine life, I'll get some pipes made up.

On the off chance, does any one have a set of Defender 200TDi oil cooler pipes that will fit in my 90, with engine mated to an LT77 gearbox (i.e. right up against the bulkhead)?

Thanks in advance
-Pos
 
Oil cooler I would fit it now because when you do get your engine hot you will regret not spending that little bit extra.

Go to Pirtek with cash on a Saturday
 
I have a spare 200tdi oil filter housing plus hoses. You'll need to get them extended (hence why they're not on my car!) but it's yours for a couple of beer tokens plus postage :)

Ian.
 
jai_landrover said:
Oil cooler I would fit it now because when you do get your engine hot you will regret not spending that little bit extra.

Go to Pirtek with cash on a Saturday
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That's what has been suggested previously. Surely there must be another alternative to using LR pipes and having them extended, or a DIY method that wont cost me the Earth. I think Patman paid well over the odds for his hoses extending at a Pirtek following the cash on a Saturday principle :(

-Pos
 
instantsquid said:
I have a spare 200tdi oil filter housing plus hoses. You'll need to get them extended (hence why they're not on my car!) but it's yours for a couple of beer tokens plus postage :)

Ian.
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Morning. My existing oil filter housing has the unions for an oil cooler pipe assembly, they're just blanked off with bolts at the moment, so I should be able to use that. I think the N/A, TD and 200TDi oil filter housings were pretty much the same - they all mix and match either way. I've got a 200TDi defender oil filter screwed onto an N/A filter housing bolted to a disco tdi :D

As for the pipes, thanks for the offer :) but I will have to turn it down because most of the hydraulic hose companies like Pirtek for example, always want at least £60 just for the hoses extending. Then again, I suppose it comes down to who you deal with and at what time. Each time I called I was given the same story and a similar price.

I'm really on the look out for a set of all rubber pipes with a union on each end (a little like washing machine hoses if you get the idea). There is a company called MOCAL who sell all the bits, and who even do a DIY kit, so I might get in touch with them and see what they can offer. They don't look like they charge the Earth.

-Pos
 
is pointless fitting a oil cooler on a ickle diesel engine in this country unless it's gonna be sat working it's nuts off ALL day EVERY day

landy diesels take an age to get warmed up to anywhere close to their optimal temperature - the last thing you want to be doing is to drastically increase that period by fitting a cooler
 
No worries. I didn't realise your existing housing had the oil pipe connections blanked off.

My 2.5TD had an oil cooler too (it's a 1988 Ninety) so I just swapped over the housing and pipes from that to my 200TDi.

I'm sure with a bit of research you'll find a cost-effective solution.

Ian.
 
pos said:
That's what has been suggested previously. Surely there must be another alternative to using LR pipes and having them extended, or a DIY method that wont cost me the Earth. I think Patman paid well over the odds for his hoses extending at a Pirtek following the cash on a Saturday principle :(

-Pos
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He may have paid over the odds In your opinion and indeed others mabe but he had his engine in as it should be and done right. Its these expensive little bits that tidy up any conversion like exhaust pipes, oil pipes rad pipes and harness that makes the difference IMO between a good conversion and a cobbled mess. My conversion cost me a bit its not bad I used all LR parts and cut them in a way to make them work. All pipe joiners are propper ali joiners Not just an odd bit of pipe. My exhaust is a disco tdi to 90 conversion pipe. Some bits shouldn't be skimpt on. If you have the time and the skill then make the bits yourself. Most people who avoid getting things done for them reckon they are saving money and have the time and skill to do a better job or cheaper job. SOmtimes this works.
But alot of the time the people trying to save a few quid have either no skills or time to do what they plan. Some people value their time and skills more than others i'd be happy spending a couple of evenings playing with a snorkel but somone else would just pay the 300 quid to get one and get it fitted.

That said you can make anything work right. Just use the farmer principle if it fits~ish do it! Seen a few conversions now and only a handful I'd be happy to say was my own work. Most not that brilliant TBH.

I'd put the principle of if you don't care then just whack it together rough I'd apy this principle to buying a disco. Resign myself to buying a ****ter run it into the ground not care what people think and scrap it at the end. That doesn't apply to my 90 cos the conversion is my own workand I don't want things to be bodged on it as it shows my work to be devalued.
 
p.s I take part in trials and comps my mota sits there getting warm. I really wouldnt be happy not having an oil cooler for it. In fact I'm thinking of fitting one to my LT77 if its not too bad. Cos the last thing I want is to be sitting somwhere fecked say a eurpoean trip or en route for a comp for the extra few quid it costs its done as it should be.
 
pos said:
I'm really on the look out for a set of all rubber pipes with a union on each end (a little like washing machine hoses if you get the idea). There is a company called MOCAL who sell all the bits, and who even do a DIY kit, so I might get in touch with them and see what they can offer. They don't look like they charge the Earth.

-Pos
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On a similar theme: is it not possible to cut an existing set of pipes - at the steel part on each end -, fit a compression coupling, then fit something like this in between?
Flexible Hose 15mm x 15mm 10mm bore 900mm - Screwfix.com, Where the Trade Buys
 
Pos forget the oil cooler. Its a pointless item obviously not a critical item. Silly me why would you need such a thing, its not asif the oil gets hot or anything for instance lubricating the turbo bearings main shells or indeed the whole engine or owt is it now? Oh hang on a sec. Its a known fact 200Tdi run cool but somtimes they don't. The one day you will be towing a heavy load or shooting down the motorway the last thing you want is engine to over heat oil breaking down, run ur mains and turbo out. Pay the extra few quid. Sell some old landy bits off to pay for it. I got mine extended for 40 quid cash. Which is nothing compared to the silicone hoses that made it a neat easy job.

There is a right way and many many wrong ways you do what you think is best and takes ya chance.
 
What I did with mine was use the pipe adaptors out of the TD filter housing and screw them into the 200 housing , then use your origanal TD oil pipes .... easy .. all mine where interchangable and was a standard landy .

No need to extend / make up pipes ..............
 
jai_landrover said:
Pos forget the oil cooler. Its a pointless item obviously not a critical item. Silly me why would you need such a thing, its not asif the oil gets hot or anything for instance lubricating the turbo bearings main shells or indeed the whole engine or owt is it now? Oh hang on a sec. Its a known fact 200Tdi run cool but somtimes they don't. The one day you will be towing a heavy load or shooting down the motorway the last thing you want is engine to over heat oil breaking down, run ur mains and turbo out. Pay the extra few quid. Sell some old landy bits off to pay for it. I got mine extended for 40 quid cash. Which is nothing compared to the silicone hoses that made it a neat easy job.

There is a right way and many many wrong ways you do what you think is best and takes ya chance.
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Oi! I havent said that I don't intend to fit oil cooler pipes, it was Sean that 'sighed', not me. I am going down to my local landy place tomorrow to make some mud flaps out of conveyor belt rubber. As for doing jobs properly, that's one thing that I do do. There's nothing about my conversion that's been bodges, right down to the bell housing studs which were drilled and tapped. I have a fabricated down pipe as well as fabricated powder coated steel intercooler pipes with 3 ply silicone joins. I'm fitting an oil catch tank tomorrow to ensure that the blow by vapours drawn back into my engine are 'clean'. I might be able to get a set of oil cooler pipes sorted tomorrow if I'm lucky.

-Pos
 
sypher said:
What I did with mine was use the pipe adaptors out of the TD filter housing and screw them into the 200 housing , then use your origanal TD oil pipes .... easy .. all mine where interchangable and was a standard landy .

No need to extend / make up pipes ..............
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That's one thing that I've thought of doing and it might be the route that I take. I've had a look around on the web for TD oil cooler pipes but none of the parts websites specify which model the pipes are for, so it's quite hard to get them right. Do you know which part number they are if I go down the 'new' route? I know where there's a couple of TD's sat, so I'll see if they've got the oil cooler pipes with them.

-Pos
 
grumpy Jai chap doesn't realize that the 99% of the time when the oil cooler is OVER cooling the oil (not flowing/lubricating fully) is gonna be doing WAY more damage than when the oil actually gets HOT enough to cause a core temperature increase (at which stage that nice water based coolant system will spring into action)

bless him .......
 
Pos no dig at you just some of the "conversions" that have been done are terrible I'm sure your conversion is sorted. For instance eople fitting a disco gearboxes into defenders and moving the gearstick (just an example of a ****e idea that will work but holds no praise frm me)
 
One thing I have noticed is that my 90 ran better when the thermostat was stuck open, meaning that it barely warmed up at all. Its' now got a working 88 degree stat in there and it doesn't run quite as well, although the cab does warm up quite nicely. As far as I'm aware, the TDI oil filter housing has a thermostat anyway which opens once the oil is hot enough. It's not a constantly flowing system.

-Pos
 
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