Last minute gift

Last minute gift for the Rav driver who thinks he/she has everything.

Tinned mud.

Instructions.

Add contents of tin to a bucket of water.

Sloosh half the mud down one side of Rav. And the other half down the other
side.

Gives it that authentic "I've just been doing a bit of OFF ROADING " Look.

Available in three sizes

"Green Lane"

"Sand Pit" and

"MUD PLUGGER"

Charles Holder wrote:
> Last minute gift for the Rav driver who thinks he/she has everything.
>
> Tinned mud.
>
> Instructions.
>
> Add contents of tin to a bucket of water.
>
> Sloosh half the mud down one side of Rav. And the other half down the
> other side.
>
> Gives it that authentic "I've just been doing a bit of OFF ROADING "
> Look.
>
> Available in three sizes
>
> "Green Lane"
>
> "Sand Pit" and
>
> "MUD PLUGGER"

Don't be so narrow minded!

You could sell it to all jap motor owners except zuk's!

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Charles Holder wrote:
> > Last minute gift for the Rav driver who thinks he/she has everything.
> >
> > Tinned mud.
> >
> > Instructions.
> >
> > Add contents of tin to a bucket of water.
> >
> > Sloosh half the mud down one side of Rav. And the other half down the
> > other side.
> >
> > Gives it that authentic "I've just been doing a bit of OFF ROADING "
> > Look.
> >
> > Available in three sizes
> >
> > "Green Lane"
> >
> > "Sand Pit" and
> >
> > "MUD PLUGGER"
>
> Don't be so narrow minded!
>
> You could sell it to all jap motor owners except zuk's!
>
> --
> Julian
> ---------
> = Pretentious Sig required =
>
>

lol

I can take you out on a fox drive in Shropshire and show you how my
landcruiser eats mud

Peter


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>>>
>>> "MUD PLUGGER"
>>
>> Don't be so narrow minded!
>>
>> You could sell it to all jap motor owners except zuk's!
>>
>> --
>> Julian
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>>
>>
>
> lol
>
> I can take you out on a fox drive in Shropshire and show you how my
> landcruiser eats mud
>
> Peter
>
Thanks but I prefer to just drive through it. . . . . . . . . ;-)

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"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Charles Holder wrote:
> > > Last minute gift for the Rav driver who thinks he/she has everything.
> > >
> > > Tinned mud.
> > >
> > > Instructions.
> > >
> > > Add contents of tin to a bucket of water.
> > >
> > > Sloosh half the mud down one side of Rav. And the other half down the
> > > other side.
> > >
> > > Gives it that authentic "I've just been doing a bit of OFF ROADING "
> > > Look.
> > >
> > > Available in three sizes
> > >
> > > "Green Lane"
> > >
> > > "Sand Pit" and
> > >
> > > "MUD PLUGGER"
> >
> > Don't be so narrow minded!
> >
> > You could sell it to all jap motor owners except zuk's!
> >
> > --
> > Julian
> > ---------
> > = Pretentious Sig required =
> >
> >
>
> lol
>
> I can take you out on a fox drive in Shropshire and show you how my
> landcruiser eats mud
>
> Peter
>

www.clubisuzu.wellington.net.nz click on galleries.

rhys

"rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Charles Holder wrote:
> > > > Last minute gift for the Rav driver who thinks he/she has
everything.
> > > >
> > > > Tinned mud.
> > > >
> > > > Instructions.
> > > >
> > > > Add contents of tin to a bucket of water.
> > > >
> > > > Sloosh half the mud down one side of Rav. And the other half down
the
> > > > other side.
> > > >
> > > > Gives it that authentic "I've just been doing a bit of OFF ROADING "
> > > > Look.
> > > >
> > > > Available in three sizes
> > > >
> > > > "Green Lane"
> > > >
> > > > "Sand Pit" and
> > > >
> > > > "MUD PLUGGER"
> > >
> > > Don't be so narrow minded!
> > >
> > > You could sell it to all jap motor owners except zuk's!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Julian
> > > ---------
> > > = Pretentious Sig required =
> > >
> > >
> >
> > lol
> >
> > I can take you out on a fox drive in Shropshire and show you how my
> > landcruiser eats mud
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
> www.clubisuzu.wellington.net.nz click on galleries.


>
> rhys
>
>

Happy Christmas to all. Including Rav owners (My sister has one )

I hope you all get what you want for Christmas but not necessarily get what
you deserve. ))

rnf2 wrote:
> "Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Charles Holder wrote:
>>>> Last minute gift for the Rav driver who thinks he/she has
>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> Tinned mud.
>>>>
>>>> Instructions.
>>>>
>>>> Add contents of tin to a bucket of water.
>>>>
>>>> Sloosh half the mud down one side of Rav. And the other half down
>>>> the other side.
>>>>
>>>> Gives it that authentic "I've just been doing a bit of OFF ROADING
>>>> " Look.
>>>>
>>>> Available in three sizes
>>>>
>>>> "Green Lane"
>>>>
>>>> "Sand Pit" and
>>>>
>>>> "MUD PLUGGER"
>>>
>>> Don't be so narrow minded!
>>>
>>> You could sell it to all jap motor owners except zuk's!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Julian
>>> ---------
>>> = Pretentious Sig required =
>>>
>>>
>>
>> lol
>>
>> I can take you out on a fox drive in Shropshire and show you how my
>> landcruiser eats mud
>>
>> Peter
>>
>
> www.clubisuzu.wellington.net.nz click on galleries.
>
> rhys

Nice photos - amazing how far off-road those things get with hardly any axle
travel at all!

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> > www.clubisuzu.wellington.net.nz click on galleries.

> Nice photos - amazing how far off-road those things get with hardly any
axle
> travel at all!

Yep - hardly any more than a leaf sprung Series Landie

Cheers
Andrew Kay

Andrew Kay wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>> www.clubisuzu.wellington.net.nz click on galleries.
>
>> Nice photos - amazing how far off-road those things get with hardly
>> any axle travel at all!
>
> Yep - hardly any more than a leaf sprung Series Landie
>
I know - shocking isn't it? 40 years extra development and the RR to copy
and zero travel is the best the japs could come up with! ;-)
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> "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Charles Holder wrote:
> > > > > Last minute gift for the Rav driver who thinks he/she has
> everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tinned mud.
> > > > >
> > > > > Instructions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Add contents of tin to a bucket of water.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sloosh half the mud down one side of Rav. And the other half down
> the
> > > > > other side.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gives it that authentic "I've just been doing a bit of OFF ROADING
"
> > > > > Look.
> > > > >
> > > > > Available in three sizes
> > > > >
> > > > > "Green Lane"
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sand Pit" and
> > > > >
> > > > > "MUD PLUGGER"
> > > >
> > > > Don't be so narrow minded!
> > > >
> > > > You could sell it to all jap motor owners except zuk's!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Julian
> > > > ---------
> > > > = Pretentious Sig required =
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > lol
> > >
> > > I can take you out on a fox drive in Shropshire and show you how my
> > > landcruiser eats mud
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> >
> > www.clubisuzu.wellington.net.nz click on galleries.
>
>
> >
> > rhys
> >
> >
>
> Happy Christmas to all. Including Rav owners (My sister has one )
>
> I hope you all get what you want for Christmas but not necessarily get
what
> you deserve. ))
>
>

I wanted a torque wrench, I got a torque wrench... now to tackle that damn
head gasket. the exhaust flange bolt bust my socket sets ratchet...

rhys

"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Andrew Kay wrote:

> > Yep - hardly any more than a leaf sprung Series Landie
> I know - shocking isn't it?

Not really. If you trawl the web for info about Ramp Travel Index (RTI),
you'll see that although most stock Jap (and USA) 4x4s have more axle
articulation than a Series motor, but it often ain't by much.

I think you'll find too that Land Cruisers (other than the most recent) and
Nissan Patrols are well up there with coil sprung Landies.

Cheers
Andrew Kay

Andrew Kay wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Andrew Kay wrote:
>
>>> Yep - hardly any more than a leaf sprung Series Landie
>> I know - shocking isn't it?
>
> Not really. If you trawl the web for info about Ramp Travel Index
> (RTI), you'll see that although most stock Jap (and USA) 4x4s have
> more axle articulation than a Series motor, but it often ain't by
> much.
>
Sadly no-one seems to give RTi figures for a Series motor but if what you
say is correct it is still terrible that all the other manufacturers can
still only match a 1940's vehicle with all that development time and much
bigger budgets!

> I think you'll find too that Land Cruisers (other than the most
> recent) and Nissan Patrols are well up there with coil sprung Landies.
>
The best of the Patrols and TLC's seem to have been in the late 80's and
early 90's when they still had solid front axles - once they changed to car
style IFS the figures dropped markedly. Shame.

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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 13:04:14 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote:

>The best of the Patrols and TLC's seem to have been in the late 80's and
>early 90's when they still had solid front axles - once they changed to car
>style IFS the figures dropped markedly. Shame.

AIUI solid-axle TLCs are still made, but they're not offered in the UK
market.

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QrizB wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 13:04:14 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The best of the Patrols and TLC's seem to have been in the late 80's
>> and early 90's when they still had solid front axles - once they
>> changed to car style IFS the figures dropped markedly. Shame.
>
> AIUI solid-axle TLCs are still made, but they're not offered in the UK
> market.

Yeah, so I'd heard but it seems they only sell them in less developed
countries for some reasons, IIRC Europe and the US don't get them.

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Andrew Kay wrote:

> > Not really. If you trawl the web for info about Ramp Travel Index
> > (RTI), you'll see that although most stock Jap (and USA) 4x4s have
> > more axle articulation than a Series motor, but it often ain't by
> > much.
> >
> Sadly no-one seems to give RTi figures for a Series motor

http://www.okoffroad.com/okrovers/events-rti-02.htm quotes RTI for a stock
SWB Series III as 440

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Parabolics.html quotes RTI for a stock LWB
Series III as 376

The figures are based on a 23deg ramp rather than the more usual 20deg
ramp - so they need increasing a bit for a strictly accurate comparison.


> say is correct it is still terrible that all the other manufacturers can
> still only match a 1940's vehicle with all that development time and much
> bigger budgets!

Yeah - it would be if their only priority was performance off-tarmac. I
suspect that if any of the Jap majors actually wanted to build a vehicle to
blow away a Defender off-tarmac, they could do it with ease.
Understandably, they seem more concerned about the total number of vehicles
they sell - so they have to optimise them for the majority of their buyers.
Land Rover will inexorably continue their move that way too.


> > I think you'll find too that Land Cruisers (other than the most
> > recent) and Nissan Patrols are well up there with coil sprung Landies.
> >
> The best of the Patrols and TLC's seem to have been in the late 80's and
> early 90's when they still had solid front axles - once they changed to
car
> style IFS the figures dropped markedly. Shame.

Yes, agreed for the TLC. The Patrol still does have a solid front axle -
and would be a tempting proposition if it wasn't such a behemoth.
Unfortunately though, they are both a couple of inches wider than the 2000
Isuzu Trooper I drive - and that is a couple of inches wider than a Defender
or Series motor. They just wouldn't fit down some of the lanes local to me.


Cheers
Andrew Kay

Andrew Kay wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Andrew Kay wrote:
>
>>> Not really. If you trawl the web for info about Ramp Travel Index
>>> (RTI), you'll see that although most stock Jap (and USA) 4x4s have
>>> more axle articulation than a Series motor, but it often ain't by
>>> much.
>>>
>> Sadly no-one seems to give RTi figures for a Series motor
>
> http://www.okoffroad.com/okrovers/events-rti-02.htm quotes RTI for a
> stock SWB Series III as 440
>
> http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Parabolics.html quotes RTI for a stock
> LWB Series III as 376
>
> The figures are based on a 23deg ramp rather than the more usual 20deg
> ramp - so they need increasing a bit for a strictly accurate
> comparison.
>
Impressive figures for standard vehicles.

>
>> say is correct it is still terrible that all the other manufacturers
>> can still only match a 1940's vehicle with all that development time
>> and much bigger budgets!
>
> Yeah - it would be if their only priority was performance off-tarmac.
> I suspect that if any of the Jap majors actually wanted to build a
> vehicle to blow away a Defender off-tarmac, they could do it with
> ease. Understandably, they seem more concerned about the total number
> of vehicles they sell - so they have to optimise them for the
> majority of their buyers.

It's odd though that for example sports cars can now out perform 1950's
equivalents with ease and be more usable yet when it comes to 4x4's off-road
performance always seems to be sacrificed in jap motors to make them happier
on road.

Land Rover will inexorably continue their
> move that way too.
>
Thats simply not the case - take the new Range Rover. Better off-road than
any predecessor *AND* better on-road. Land Rover are the only company that
don't seem to be willing to sacrifice off-road ability. Long may it
continue.

>
>>> I think you'll find too that Land Cruisers (other than the most
>>> recent) and Nissan Patrols are well up there with coil sprung
>>> Landies.
>>>
>> The best of the Patrols and TLC's seem to have been in the late 80's
>> and early 90's when they still had solid front axles - once they
>> changed to car style IFS the figures dropped markedly. Shame.
>
> Yes, agreed for the TLC. The Patrol still does have a solid front
> axle - and would be a tempting proposition if it wasn't such a
> behemoth. Unfortunately though, they are both a couple of inches
> wider than the 2000 Isuzu Trooper I drive - and that is a couple of
> inches wider than a Defender or Series motor. They just wouldn't fit
> down some of the lanes local to me.
>
Agreed - one of the most important features off-road is size - you can have
all the lifts and lockers you like, but if it's too big for the gap you
aren't going anywhere!
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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Land Rover will inexorably continue their
> > move that way too.
> >
> Thats simply not the case - take the new Range Rover. Better off-road than
> any predecessor *AND* better on-road. Land Rover are the only company that
> don't seem to be willing to sacrifice off-road ability. Long may it
> continue.

I've seen no evidence that the new RaRo is better than earlier ones.
Where'd you get yours?

From reviews I've seen, the latest Defender doesn't have the same axle
articulation as earlier 90s and 110s. Are you saying it does?

I understand that not even Land Rover are claiming that the next version of
the Freelander will be anything other than a road car - and it's being made
in a Ford factory - not at Solihull.

I think you're just suffering from a dose of the rose tinted spectacles.


Cheers
Andrew Kay

Andrew Kay wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> Land Rover will inexorably continue their
>>> move that way too.
>>>
>> Thats simply not the case - take the new Range Rover. Better
>> off-road than any predecessor *AND* better on-road. Land Rover are
>> the only company that don't seem to be willing to sacrifice off-road
>> ability. Long may it continue.
>
> I've seen no evidence that the new RaRo is better than earlier ones.
> Where'd you get yours?
>
From driving one back to back with a P38 RR round the LR jungle track. The
new RR could get over obstacles that stumped the older one. The key was the
way the suspension software is programmed to mimic solid axles front and
rear and actively push the lightly loaded side into depressions for superb
traction. There was a very interesting test in a LR mag which put the new RR
up against a 90 and the 90 was beaten, something the previous RR's could not
do. You could also read any of the several off-road tests of the new RR that
have concluded the same. Have you driven both off-road?

> From reviews I've seen, the latest Defender doesn't have the same axle
> articulation as earlier 90s and 110s. Are you saying it does?
>
Really? Which reviews are those? Do you have any URL's? As they are
mechanically identical I can't see why they would have less axle travel than
earlier ones.

> I understand that not even Land Rover are claiming that the next
> version of the Freelander will be anything other than a road car -
> and it's being made in a Ford factory - not at Solihull.
>
Really? Where did you hear Land Rover making those claims? Do you have a URL
to that particular press release? It may have passed you by, but all LR
factories are Ford factories nowadays!!!!!! What I think you mean is that
Freelander production is moving from a LR/Ford factory in Solihull to a
Jaguar/Ford factory in Liverpool! Not that I'm sure why you think I care
where thay are made - I've never met a jap motor owner who has the faintest
idea where their car was made. . . . . ;-)

> I think you're just suffering from a dose of the rose tinted
> spectacles.
>
Maybe, but at least I don't make entire posts based on incorrect hearsay and
guesswork. . . . . .

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Andrew Kay wrote:

> > From reviews I've seen, the latest Defender doesn't have the same axle
> > articulation as earlier 90s and 110s. Are you saying it does?
> >
> Really? Which reviews are those?

From memory, I think it was in a review in Total Offroad (the only mag I
buy) some months ago - along with a discussion about versions with more
"lifestyle" credentials - such as the availability of puke coloured metallic
paints.


> > I understand that not even Land Rover are claiming that the next
> > version of the Freelander will be anything other than a road car -
> > and it's being made in a Ford factory - not at Solihull.
> >
> Really? Where did you hear Land Rover making those claims?

I think my source for this was the same - TOR. A simple Google search does,
however, reveal lots of relevant articles. See for example:

http://www.waitnews.com/land_rover_freelander_move.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/3078485.stm

http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_focus/
Expected in model-year '06, the new Mondeo will be based on a version of
Ford's global C1 architecture, referred to internally as EUCD. That platform
will spawn the next-generation Land Rover Freelander as well and is likely
to form the underpinnings for the next-generation Galaxy, due in 2005.
Speculation is the unnamed product could be a cross-utility/vehicle also
based on EUCD.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=37561
"The all-new model, due in early 2006, will be loosely based around the
next-generation Ford Focus."

Cheers
Andrew Kay

:

Andrew Kay wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:EG%[email protected]...
>> Andrew Kay wrote:
>
>>> From reviews I've seen, the latest Defender doesn't have the same
>>> axle articulation as earlier 90s and 110s. Are you saying it does?
>>>
>> Really? Which reviews are those?
>
> From memory, I think it was in a review in Total Offroad (the only
> mag I buy) some months ago - along with a discussion about versions
> with more "lifestyle" credentials - such as the availability of puke
> coloured metallic paints.
>
Like I said, the chassis and suspension components are common between the
first 90/110 in 1983/4 and todays Defender and fully interchangeable, so I
remain unconvinced.

>
>>> I understand that not even Land Rover are claiming that the next
>>> version of the Freelander will be anything other than a road car -
>>> and it's being made in a Ford factory - not at Solihull.
>>>
>> Really? Where did you hear Land Rover making those claims?
>
> I think my source for this was the same - TOR. A simple Google
> search does, however, reveal lots of relevant articles. See for
> example:
>
> http://www.waitnews.com/land_rover_freelander_move.htm
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/3078485.stm
>
You didn't need to post those URL's - I wasn't arguing with you that
Freelander production was moving to Jaguar Halewood. The thing those
articles fail to mention is that the primary reason for the move is that
Lode Lane is at capacity, but sales of the Jaguar X-Type have been
disappointing and thus they have spare capacity.

> http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_focus/
> Expected in model-year '06, the new Mondeo will be based on a version
> of Ford's global C1 architecture, referred to internally as EUCD.
> That platform will spawn the next-generation Land Rover Freelander as
> well and is likely to form the underpinnings for the next-generation
> Galaxy, due in 2005. Speculation is the unnamed product could be a
> cross-utility/vehicle also based on EUCD.
>
Platform sharing does not mean the Freelander will become more car like - it
means it will share common components, just like all it's competitors share
components with their saloon car models. It already does of course, sharing
car engines and gearboxes and IIRC parts of the floorpan are Maestro van
based! It is after all already pretty much a car with some off-road ability,
not a proper LR!

>
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=37561
> "The all-new model, due in early 2006, will be loosely based around
> the next-generation Ford Focus."
>
Just like the current one is loosely based around a maestro - how is that
becoming more car like?

I take it you fully agree with me on all the bits you snipped out of my
post?

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