Gonna fit my 300Tdi Starter Motor

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Forgot to fit starter before I put engine and box back in chassis, 300 Tdi discovery engine in to Defender with LT77 Box. Its a bit of a tight squeeze with engine been further back, but think I should manage.
My Question is. I'm sure I've read somewhere that there is an Earth cable coming from one of the 3 bolts off starter, Is this Right and where does it connect to ??
Thanks
 
You need one from anywhere on the engine to the chassis. The starter bolt to chassis or back to the battery even is good because the starter relies on good voltage flow, so connecting the earth to the bolt holding the starter on is the best place possible.
 
You need one from anywhere on the engine to the chassis. The starter bolt to chassis or back to the battery even is good because the starter relies on good voltage flow, so connecting the earth to the bolt holding the starter on is the best place possible.
Thanks, So Straight from starter bolt to Battery ?
 
Thanks, So Straight from starter bolt to Battery ?
If you can yes but you will still need earth's from gearbox to chassis to battery neg.
Somewhere on the block to chassis then somewhere on chassis to battery negative is 99% just as good really.
Just more contact areas that can go high resistance.
Ideal scenario is earth from bulkhead, earth from block, earth from body, earth from gearbox, earth from transfer box etc all going back to the battery. In practice this is expensive and impractical so the chassis is used to complete the earth circuit for some components. The engine for example is on rubber mounts as are the gearboxes and the circuit is broken at that point. So earth cables are used from the block to the chassis to bypass the rubber mounts.
Starter is mounted to the block with no rubber so an earth on the block going either straight to the battery or to the chassis would complete the circuit and the starter will work as long as the chassis has an earth cable somewhere on it going to the battery negative post.
You now have 3 earth contact points, if one goes gunky you may get poor starter performance.
It's how LR do it in the main.
Going straight from starter bolt to battery reduces contact points and increases reliability if you don't check earth much.
Problem is connecting extra wires to the battery, might not be easy.
I've got three earth's on my battery.
One to starter bolt
One to chassis
One to winch.
On chassis, one to gearbox ,one to bulkhead and one to block.
Never had an earth issue in 16 yrs.
 
To keep it simpler earth from a gearbox bolt to the battery, just as good. I also have chassis to block and tub to chassis.
 
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To keep it simpler earth from a gearbox bolt to the battery, just as good. I also have chassis to block and tub to chassis.
Agreed. But I'm a bit ott, if that one earth failed my engine would still start.
Can't have too many earth's.
 
The starter is a very tight fit with an LT77 on a 300tdi, but you can just about wriggle it in. You may doubt this when you come to try it.
When I replaced mine I detached the oil feed from the turbo to give a bit more room, but it isn't essential.
As far as the earth strap is concerned, I would fit a strap between the engine/gearbox unit and the chassis or you may have problems. Most fit a strap from one of the starter mounting bolts to the chassis bolt near the engine mount. Mine has an additional one from the transfer box to the gearbox mounting bolt.
 
Just had a look before and think I will go from starter bolt to engine mount bolt, would that be OK ? as to go straight to Battery would need something quite longer.
 
Not sure what bolt you mean but as long as the bolt goes though the chassis and has clean rust free surfaces- yes.
 
Just had a look before and think I will go from starter bolt to engine mount bolt, would that be OK ? as to go straight to Battery would need something quite longer.
As you are building your Landy from scratch you might as well do as much as possible as well as possible. All jobs are important, but some more so. Having sound earths is crucial if you don't want a myriad of PITA electrical problems later. You don't have to replicate Flossie's set up exactly, but I'd strongly advise you do something similar.
The wiring harness for your vehicle supplies the + feed from the battery to all of electrical devices on the vehicle. To save having a - wire feeding back, making the harness twice as thick and expensive, each component either has a short wire back to a body part, engine block etc, or is metal itself and fixes to a body part etc. So, the body panels, engine block, gearboxes chassis rails act as all of those negative wires. However, all of those parts of your Landy only act as - conductors if they are connected to the negative post of your battery. So, from that post on the battery you need proper earth connections to those parts of your Landy. I apologise if I'm stating the obvious.
 
One of the bolts that hold engine Mounting to chassis. Will one of these do ? https://www.halfords.com/workshop-t.../halfords-braided-earth-battery-cable-45cm-18
Or will It need something stronger/ thicker ??
Bolt ok. Earth straps can't be too heavy duty . Unfortunately I don't know what load rating you will need but it needs to be at least as manly as the one (positive) that feeds the starter itself. The Halfords link doesn't say. An earth wire for say a 1 ltr petrol car will probably melt on a landy TDI engine.
Auto electrical places can make them up for you, one near me did.
 
Interesting thread as I'm sort of redoing some of the electrics on mine as I do a limited refurb.
So to my question, what, if any protection would you use between earth strap and mounting point, would you give a good smear of vasaline or copper grease?
 
The type of braided strap you have linked to is the standard type for engine to chassis, but that particular one is too long, half the length would be OK.
I would personally fit two as described in my previous post, as you can't have too many earths.
The battery earth on mine is an insulated cable and is bolted directly to a chassis outrigger behind the seat base.
 
The type of braided strap you have linked to is the standard type for engine to chassis, but that particular one is too long, half the length would be OK.
I would personally fit two as described in my previous post, as you can't have too many earths.
The battery earth on mine is an insulated cable and is bolted directly to a chassis outrigger behind the seat base.
Thanks, will get shorter ones, so one from Starter Bolt to somewhere on Chassis and one from Engine / Gearbox to Chassis ? then Obviously the big heavy one from Battery
 
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