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apk1
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About to start..... campaign to rid the streets of 4x4's!!!
Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist, journalism
!!
Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist, journalism
!!
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Wolverine
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"apk1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> About to start..... campaign to rid the streets of 4x4's!!!
>
> Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist,
> journalism !!
>
You are right it was...
Wolverine.
Big Red 110 CSW
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Angus McCoatup
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Bloody tree huggers!!
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Dougal
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> About to start..... campaign to rid the streets of 4x4's!!!
>
> Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist, journalism
> !!
The most inconsequential piece of broadcasting that you'll watch before
Tony Bliar's next speech!
>
> Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist, journalism
> !!
The most inconsequential piece of broadcasting that you'll watch before
Tony Bliar's next speech!
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Charles Holder
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"apk1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> About to start..... campaign to rid the streets of 4x4's!!!
>
> Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist,
> journalism !!
>
A farce, not really worth a comment.
However we should be insisting on a ban on Rolls Royce, Ferrari, All HGV's
..
Any car that does not do 60 MPG, and have a man walking in front with a red
flag.
Hysteria is the word for this reaction. All you anglers beware. Hunting was
a priority. Drivers of SUV's will now be stoned to death.
Fishing will be made illegal.
Walking on the street without a crash helmit will be the next campaign.
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Wolverine
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I didn't see any proper 4x4's either!
"Charles Holder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> --
> "apk1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> About to start..... campaign to rid the streets of 4x4's!!!
>>
>> Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist,
>> journalism !!
>>
>
> A farce, not really worth a comment.
>
> However we should be insisting on a ban on Rolls Royce, Ferrari, All
> HGV's .
>
> Any car that does not do 60 MPG, and have a man walking in front with a
> red flag.
>
> Hysteria is the word for this reaction. All you anglers beware. Hunting
> was a priority. Drivers of SUV's will now be stoned to death.
>
>
>
> Fishing will be made illegal.
>
>
>
> Walking on the street without a crash helmit will be the next campaign.
>
>
"Charles Holder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> --
> "apk1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> About to start..... campaign to rid the streets of 4x4's!!!
>>
>> Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist,
>> journalism !!
>>
>
> A farce, not really worth a comment.
>
> However we should be insisting on a ban on Rolls Royce, Ferrari, All
> HGV's .
>
> Any car that does not do 60 MPG, and have a man walking in front with a
> red flag.
>
> Hysteria is the word for this reaction. All you anglers beware. Hunting
> was a priority. Drivers of SUV's will now be stoned to death.
>
>
>
> Fishing will be made illegal.
>
>
>
> Walking on the street without a crash helmit will be the next campaign.
>
>
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computer
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We *can* fight back
http://www.4x4prejudice.org
Get your stickers from : http://shop.mud-club.com
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Neil
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Bob Hobden
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"computer" wrote
> We *can* fight back
>
> http://www.4x4prejudice.org
>
Yes and the reports of that program will be on
www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog tomorrow so it may be worth a look especially if
they have a "comments" board so we can all have a say.. Be polite though or
it won't be published.
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Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London
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StaffBull
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They've already screwed this one up in a town in Holland, they banned
vehicles over a certain size from the centre aimed at 4 X 4's. however 90's
and shorter series were fine but delivery vans and Volvo estates were
buggered!!!
be careful of what you wish for !!!!! bloody tree hugging headscrews!!
driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of Landys
"apk1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> About to start..... campaign to rid the streets of 4x4's!!!
>
> Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist,
> journalism !!
>
vehicles over a certain size from the centre aimed at 4 X 4's. however 90's
and shorter series were fine but delivery vans and Volvo estates were
buggered!!!
be careful of what you wish for !!!!! bloody tree hugging headscrews!!
driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of Landys
"apk1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> About to start..... campaign to rid the streets of 4x4's!!!
>
> Probably another piece of quality, impartial, non-sensationalist,
> journalism !!
>
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Adrian
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StaffBull ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :
> driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of
> Landys
And the logic there is...?
much like they were saying :
> driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of
> Landys
And the logic there is...?
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StaffBull
Guest
do you see people stuffing leaflets under the wipers of 2CV's to try and ban
them? nope!
"Adrian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> StaffBull ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
>
>> driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of
>> Landys
>
> And the logic there is...?
them? nope!
"Adrian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> StaffBull ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
>
>> driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of
>> Landys
>
> And the logic there is...?
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Adrian
Guest
StaffBull ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :
>>> driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of
>>> Landys
>> And the logic there is...?
> do you see people stuffing leaflets under the wipers of 2CV's to try
> and ban them? nope!
I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more **** than
a fleet of Landys"...
Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
much like they were saying :
>>> driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of
>>> Landys
>> And the logic there is...?
> do you see people stuffing leaflets under the wipers of 2CV's to try
> and ban them? nope!
I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more **** than
a fleet of Landys"...
Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
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Pete Foster
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"Adrian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
My Series III did once. Granted, there was a tow rope between it and the
Isuzu Trooper in front of it.
;o)
--
Pete Foster - www.xmob.co.uk
news:[email protected]...
> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
My Series III did once. Granted, there was a tow rope between it and the
Isuzu Trooper in front of it.
;o)
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Pete Foster - www.xmob.co.uk
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Austin Shackles
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On or around 26 Jan 2005 22:16:52 GMT, Adrian <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>StaffBull ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
>much like they were saying :
>
>>>> driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of
>>>> Landys
>
>>> And the logic there is...?
>
>> do you see people stuffing leaflets under the wipers of 2CV's to try
>> and ban them? nope!
>
>I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more **** than
>a fleet of Landys"...
>
>Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
mind, yer 2CV is pretty bloody hopeless environmentally. hilarious motors,
mind.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
enlightened us thusly:
>StaffBull ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
>much like they were saying :
>
>>>> driving round in 2CV's which belch out more **** than a fleet of
>>>> Landys
>
>>> And the logic there is...?
>
>> do you see people stuffing leaflets under the wipers of 2CV's to try
>> and ban them? nope!
>
>I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more **** than
>a fleet of Landys"...
>
>Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
mind, yer 2CV is pretty bloody hopeless environmentally. hilarious motors,
mind.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
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scorpio
Guest
>
>
> I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more **** than
> a fleet of Landys"...
>
> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
The point is it does'nt matter how much you do to the gallon it is the
harmful crap you spew out and Most Landy are far more environmentally
cleaner than a 2CV
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Adrian
Guest
scorpio ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :
>> I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more
>> **** than a fleet of Landys"...
>>
>> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
> The point is it does'nt matter how much you do to the gallon it is the
> harmful crap you spew out and Most Landy are far more environmentally
> cleaner than a 2CV
I suggest you have a little read up on MOTs, emissions, and - if you're
referring to the difference between petrol and diesel, particulates.
BTW - all my 2cvs have always passed the MOT WAAAAY within the emission
limits. A good 'un will even get very close to the cat emission numbers.
were saying :
>> I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more
>> **** than a fleet of Landys"...
>>
>> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
> The point is it does'nt matter how much you do to the gallon it is the
> harmful crap you spew out and Most Landy are far more environmentally
> cleaner than a 2CV
I suggest you have a little read up on MOTs, emissions, and - if you're
referring to the difference between petrol and diesel, particulates.
BTW - all my 2cvs have always passed the MOT WAAAAY within the emission
limits. A good 'un will even get very close to the cat emission numbers.
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Paul - xxx
Guest
scorpio composed the following;:
>> I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more
>> **** than a fleet of Landys"...
>>
>> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
>
>
> The point is it does'nt matter how much you do to the gallon it is the
> harmful crap you spew out and Most Landy are far more environmentally
> cleaner than a 2CV
Sheeit, isn't this _JUST_ what the feckin' tree huggers want ?
4x4 owners arguing amongst themselves rather than realising we're _ALL_
tarred with the same brush anyway, whatever marque we drive. They don't
understand the difference between a 4x4 2CV and a Landrover anyway, if
it has 4x4 transmission (and yes, there _are_ 4x4 2CV's about) it's a
'gas-guzzler' and environmentally poor, in their eyes.
Personally I couldn't give a **** if someone drives a Landy, a 2CV a
Jeep a Suzuki or whatever,[1] so long as they're doing it off-road and
enjoying it, and the more people that do go legally off-road, the more
power we all have to lobby for our pastime where it truly counts, in the
ballot box, at whatever level.
[1] I _do_ dislike Mahindras though ..
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Paul ...
http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php
(8(!) Homer Rules ...
"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."
>> I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more
>> **** than a fleet of Landys"...
>>
>> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
>
>
> The point is it does'nt matter how much you do to the gallon it is the
> harmful crap you spew out and Most Landy are far more environmentally
> cleaner than a 2CV
Sheeit, isn't this _JUST_ what the feckin' tree huggers want ?
4x4 owners arguing amongst themselves rather than realising we're _ALL_
tarred with the same brush anyway, whatever marque we drive. They don't
understand the difference between a 4x4 2CV and a Landrover anyway, if
it has 4x4 transmission (and yes, there _are_ 4x4 2CV's about) it's a
'gas-guzzler' and environmentally poor, in their eyes.
Personally I couldn't give a **** if someone drives a Landy, a 2CV a
Jeep a Suzuki or whatever,[1] so long as they're doing it off-road and
enjoying it, and the more people that do go legally off-road, the more
power we all have to lobby for our pastime where it truly counts, in the
ballot box, at whatever level.
[1] I _do_ dislike Mahindras though ..
--
Paul ...
http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php
(8(!) Homer Rules ...
"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."
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Adrian
Guest
Paul - xxx ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :
>>> I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more
>>> **** than a fleet of Landys"...
>>>
>>> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
>> The point is it does'nt matter how much you do to the gallon it is the
>> harmful crap you spew out and Most Landy are far more environmentally
>> cleaner than a 2CV
> Sheeit, isn't this _JUST_ what the feckin' tree huggers want ?
>
> 4x4 owners arguing amongst themselves rather than realising we're _ALL_
> tarred with the same brush anyway, whatever marque we drive.
The point I'm trying to make is that claims as self-evidently wrong as
those "scorpio" is making are not going to help us in any way, either.
Quite the opposite, in fact.
Bigger heavier vehicles - be they 2wd or 4wd DO pollute more than smaller
lighter ones. At the most basic, it's very simple to demonstrate. Push a
small light car 100yds, then push a Landy 100yds. Which makes you more
knackered?
4wd vehicles DO pollute more than 2wd ones - there's more weight, there's
more transmission losses. Why else would there be selectable 4wd and free-
wheel hubs?
Diesels don't pollute less than petrols. They pollute differently.
Those are all unarguable.
Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless 4x4s in
urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem, and that there ARE a lot
of utter irresponsible and illegal ****s on trailbikes and 4x4s causing
damage to greenlanes and the image of greenlaning.
As a recreational activity, we'd be best putting our hands up and agreeing
with the ramblers - to a point.
Arguing the unarguable, defending the indefensible, is what's harming us
most.
they were saying :
>>> I was trying more to follow the logic of a 2cv "belching out more
>>> **** than a fleet of Landys"...
>>>
>>> Yet to see any Landy manage 40mpg...
>> The point is it does'nt matter how much you do to the gallon it is the
>> harmful crap you spew out and Most Landy are far more environmentally
>> cleaner than a 2CV
> Sheeit, isn't this _JUST_ what the feckin' tree huggers want ?
>
> 4x4 owners arguing amongst themselves rather than realising we're _ALL_
> tarred with the same brush anyway, whatever marque we drive.
The point I'm trying to make is that claims as self-evidently wrong as
those "scorpio" is making are not going to help us in any way, either.
Quite the opposite, in fact.
Bigger heavier vehicles - be they 2wd or 4wd DO pollute more than smaller
lighter ones. At the most basic, it's very simple to demonstrate. Push a
small light car 100yds, then push a Landy 100yds. Which makes you more
knackered?
4wd vehicles DO pollute more than 2wd ones - there's more weight, there's
more transmission losses. Why else would there be selectable 4wd and free-
wheel hubs?
Diesels don't pollute less than petrols. They pollute differently.
Those are all unarguable.
Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless 4x4s in
urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem, and that there ARE a lot
of utter irresponsible and illegal ****s on trailbikes and 4x4s causing
damage to greenlanes and the image of greenlaning.
As a recreational activity, we'd be best putting our hands up and agreeing
with the ramblers - to a point.
Arguing the unarguable, defending the indefensible, is what's harming us
most.
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aghasee
Guest
"Adrian" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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<snip>
> Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless
> 4x4s in urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem, and that
Not true in the case of the ennvironment.
Wether you drive a 4x4 or not, it doesn't matter.
Globally the ocean-going cathedral-sized ships are accountable for one
third of the worlds atmospheric pollution.
That is a fact and a big problem. Not the 4x4.
news:[email protected]
<snip>
> Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless
> 4x4s in urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem, and that
Not true in the case of the ennvironment.
Wether you drive a 4x4 or not, it doesn't matter.
Globally the ocean-going cathedral-sized ships are accountable for one
third of the worlds atmospheric pollution.
That is a fact and a big problem. Not the 4x4.
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Steve Taylor
Guest
Adrian wrote:
> Diesels don't pollute less than petrols. They pollute differently.
>
> Those are all unarguable.
Per mile driven ? Diesels are unarguably more efficient, yes they (can)
emit soot particles, but they must emit less CO2 than petrol PER MILE.
Steve
> Diesels don't pollute less than petrols. They pollute differently.
>
> Those are all unarguable.
Per mile driven ? Diesels are unarguably more efficient, yes they (can)
emit soot particles, but they must emit less CO2 than petrol PER MILE.
Steve
