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Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
driving an SUV is unpatriotic? In my own mind its a complicated
question that can effect US national security (the part where we in
the USA are dependent upon foreign oil). It was a topic that was sort
of covered in the last issue of national geographic so I posted
another rant on why I think in general SUVs suck.


http://www.phaster.com/road_trips/are_suvs_unpatriotic.html


I just filled up my land cruiser and it took $100+, oh well its my toy
and its the only vehicle that can accomplish what I want it to do, so
I don't mind paying for the priviliage of driving the darn thing, but
with gas prices all over the news and oil prices now just dropping are
people going to ignore the recient gas price spike??????
 
"ben" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices

Which thoughts exactly?

Relative to the world, I think we're far to low on
gas prices.

Relative to past domestic prices, taking into
consideration inflation, I still think we're too low.

On the other hand, in general, I think they're too
high -- but only because I'm a consumer seeking
to reduce my expenses. I've no idea what the "ideal"
price of a gallon is in the U.S, but I'd like to think it's
a helluva lot lower than we're paying now and I'd like
to think we actually have a chance of reducing the
current prices to that "ideal" price.

> and if ya think
> driving an SUV is unpatriotic?

Dumb question.

Is drinking coffee unpatriotic?

Is posting to usenet unpatriotic?

Is masturbation unpatriotic?

Who cares.

> In my own mind its a complicated
> question that can effect US national security (the part where we in
> the USA are dependent upon foreign oil).

It's a lot more complicated than that. A lot.

> It was a topic that was sort
> of covered in the last issue of national geographic so I posted
> another rant on why I think in general SUVs suck.

Everything sucks for *somebody*.

I happen to be in agreement. SUVs have a lot of suckage,
but definitely not, in particular, because they are "unpatriotic".


> http://www.phaster.com/road_trips/are_suvs_unpatriotic.html
>
>
> I just filled up my land cruiser and it took $100+, oh well its my toy
> and its the only vehicle that can accomplish what I want it to do, so
> I don't mind paying for the priviliage of driving the darn thing, but
> with gas prices all over the news and oil prices now just dropping are
> people going to ignore the recient gas price spike??????


The patriotic folks out there have fought and died for
exactly the freedom to drive an SUV -- suckage or not.






 
Why would stroking your sausage be unpatriotic?


Refinish King


"Sgt. Sausage" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "ben" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> > for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices
>
> Which thoughts exactly?
>
> Relative to the world, I think we're far to low on
> gas prices.
>
> Relative to past domestic prices, taking into
> consideration inflation, I still think we're too low.
>
> On the other hand, in general, I think they're too
> high -- but only because I'm a consumer seeking
> to reduce my expenses. I've no idea what the "ideal"
> price of a gallon is in the U.S, but I'd like to think it's
> a helluva lot lower than we're paying now and I'd like
> to think we actually have a chance of reducing the
> current prices to that "ideal" price.
>
> > and if ya think
> > driving an SUV is unpatriotic?
>
> Dumb question.
>
> Is drinking coffee unpatriotic?
>
> Is posting to usenet unpatriotic?
>
> Is masturbation unpatriotic?
>
> Who cares.
>
> > In my own mind its a complicated
> > question that can effect US national security (the part where we in
> > the USA are dependent upon foreign oil).
>
> It's a lot more complicated than that. A lot.
>
> > It was a topic that was sort
> > of covered in the last issue of national geographic so I posted
> > another rant on why I think in general SUVs suck.
>
> Everything sucks for *somebody*.
>
> I happen to be in agreement. SUVs have a lot of suckage,
> but definitely not, in particular, because they are "unpatriotic".
>
>
> > http://www.phaster.com/road_trips/are_suvs_unpatriotic.html
> >
> >
> > I just filled up my land cruiser and it took $100+, oh well its my toy
> > and its the only vehicle that can accomplish what I want it to do, so
> > I don't mind paying for the priviliage of driving the darn thing, but
> > with gas prices all over the news and oil prices now just dropping are
> > people going to ignore the recient gas price spike??????
>
>
> The patriotic folks out there have fought and died for
> exactly the freedom to drive an SUV -- suckage or not.
>
>
>
>
>
>



 
[email protected] (ben) wrote:

>Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
>for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
>driving an SUV is unpatriotic?

How much oil are we burning to support all the elderly whose ability to
contribute is significantly diminished because of Alzheimer's,
depression, infirmity, etc.?


=========================
"Endeavor to persevere"
=========================
 

"ben" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
> driving an SUV is unpatriotic? In my own mind its a complicated
> question that can effect US national security (the part where we in
> the USA are dependent upon foreign oil). It was a topic that was sort
> of covered in the last issue of national geographic so I posted
> another rant on why I think in general SUVs suck.
>
>
> http://www.phaster.com/road_trips/are_suvs_unpatriotic.html
>
>
> I just filled up my land cruiser and it took $100+, oh well its my toy
> and its the only vehicle that can accomplish what I want it to do, so
> I don't mind paying for the priviliage of driving the darn thing, but
> with gas prices all over the news and oil prices now just dropping are
> people going to ignore the recient gas price spike??????

Petrol prices are very low in the US compared to the rest of the developed
world even with the recent increases for a variety of reasons - the only
reason it is considered expensive now is because your expectation is for low
fuel prices. It's all relative.

As for driving an SUV being unpatriotic, well I suppose if it wasn't built
in the US and took jobs and profit away from American workers then it could
be considered unpatriotic, but not because it's thirsty. Then again, as most
US oil comes from foreign countries you could consider buying any fuel
unpatriotic if you wanted. You'd be stupid of course, but you could do it!
:)


 
ben wrote:
>
> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
> driving an SUV is unpatriotic?


He he. All the talk about gas prices amuse me. When I hired in to the
cumpnee in 1981, gas prices were about $1.20 or so, and I made about 1/3
of what I do now. That didn't stop me from buying my 1980 Blazer.




Brian Rodenborn
 

"Default User" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ben wrote:
> >
> > Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> > for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
> > driving an SUV is unpatriotic?
>
>
> He he. All the talk about gas prices amuse me. When I hired in to the
> cumpnee in 1981, gas prices were about $1.20 or so, and I made about 1/3
> of what I do now. That didn't stop me from buying my 1980 Blazer.
>
>
>
>
> Brian Rodenborn

Heh, I remember when gas first hit 50 cents a gallon, man that was high. ;-)


 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:56:27 GMT, Default User
<[email protected]> wrote:

>:|ben wrote:
>:|>
>:|> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
>:|> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
>:|> driving an SUV is unpatriotic?
>:|
>:|
>:|He he. All the talk about gas prices amuse me. When I hired in to the
>:|cumpnee in 1981, gas prices were about $1.20 or so, and I made about 1/3
>:|of what I do now. That didn't stop me from buying my 1980 Blazer.
>:|
>:|
>:|
>:|
>:|Brian Rodenborn
the price spike of $1.80 or so in early '81 caused my parents to
quickly dump their 7mpg '80 Dodge Ramcharger.... didn't I hate riding
in that thing...

-Bret
 
Bret Chase wrote:

> the price spike of $1.80 or so in early '81 caused my parents to
> quickly dump their 7mpg '80 Dodge Ramcharger.... didn't I hate riding
> in that thing...


Did you? I had a 75 Trailduster, essentially the same thing as
Ramcharger, I liked it.




Brian Rodenborn
 

"Bret Chase" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:56:27 GMT, Default User
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >:|ben wrote:
> >:|>
> >:|> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> >:|> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
> >:|> driving an SUV is unpatriotic?
> >:|
> >:|
> >:|He he. All the talk about gas prices amuse me. When I hired in to the
> >:|cumpnee in 1981, gas prices were about $1.20 or so, and I made about
1/3
> >:|of what I do now. That didn't stop me from buying my 1980 Blazer.
> >:|
> >:|
> >:|
> >:|
> >:|Brian Rodenborn
> the price spike of $1.80 or so in early '81 caused my parents to
> quickly dump their 7mpg '80 Dodge Ramcharger.... didn't I hate riding
> in that thing...
>
The new car or the old car?


 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:37:26 GMT, Default User
<[email protected]> wrote:

>:|Bret Chase wrote:
>:|
>:|> the price spike of $1.80 or so in early '81 caused my parents to
>:|> quickly dump their 7mpg '80 Dodge Ramcharger.... didn't I hate riding
>:|> in that thing...
>:|
>:|
>:|Did you? I had a 75 Trailduster, essentially the same thing as
>:|Ramcharger, I liked it.

I don't remember exacty what I didn't like about it, as I was only 7,
but I definately remember not liking it...

-Bret
 
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:29:06 GMT, "Jerry Okamura"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>:|
>:|"Bret Chase" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>:|news:[email protected]...
>:|> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:56:27 GMT, Default User
>:|> <[email protected]> wrote:
>:|>
>:|> >:|ben wrote:
>:|> >:|>
>:|> >:|> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
>:|> >:|> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
>:|> >:|> driving an SUV is unpatriotic?
>:|> >:|
>:|> >:|
>:|> >:|He he. All the talk about gas prices amuse me. When I hired in to the
>:|> >:|cumpnee in 1981, gas prices were about $1.20 or so, and I made about
>:|1/3
>:|> >:|of what I do now. That didn't stop me from buying my 1980 Blazer.
>:|> >:|
>:|> >:|
>:|> >:|
>:|> >:|
>:|> >:|Brian Rodenborn
>:|> the price spike of $1.80 or so in early '81 caused my parents to
>:|> quickly dump their 7mpg '80 Dodge Ramcharger.... didn't I hate riding
>:|> in that thing...
>:|>
>:|The new car or the old car?
>:|

the ramcharger... hated it.... I think they traded it in on a Subaru
GL wagon.. my mom loved that car.

_Bret
 
On 9 Jun 2004 19:39:58 -0700, [email protected] (ben) wrote:

>Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
>for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
>driving an SUV is unpatriotic? In my own mind its a complicated
>question that can effect US national security (the part where we in
>the USA are dependent upon foreign oil). It was a topic that was sort
>of covered in the last issue of national geographic so I posted
>another rant on why I think in general SUVs suck.
>

SUV's are really no different that minivans and station wagons. On
average they have more cargo carrying capability than sedans and
as a result they consume more fuel. Some SUV are two wheel drive
and some minivans and stations wagons are 4WD.

So why does the news media continue to attack SUVs for poor
fuel economy but ignore minivans and station wagons? Are they
still going to attack them later this year when they start to have
gasoline/electric hybrid engines?
 
[email protected] (ben) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
> driving an SUV is unpatriotic? In my own mind its a complicated
> question that can effect US national security (the part where we in
> the USA are dependent upon foreign oil). It was a topic that was sort
> of covered in the last issue of national geographic so I posted
> another rant on why I think in general SUVs suck.


Just think,Alpha Male Gore said in his book the internal combustion
engine is more of a threat to mankind than a nuclear weapon.He thought
gas should be $5 a gallon.As for "SUV's" I'll drive what I damned well
please.I'll squash your bicycle with my V-10 four wheel drive
Excursion!!
>
>
> http://www.phaster.com/road_trips/are_suvs_unpatriotic.html
>
>
> I just filled up my land cruiser and it took $100+, oh well its my toy
> and its the only vehicle that can accomplish what I want it to do, so
> I don't mind paying for the priviliage of driving the darn thing, but
> with gas prices all over the news and oil prices now just dropping are
> people going to ignore the recient gas price spike??????
 
[email protected]am (David James Polewka) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (ben) wrote:
>
> >Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> >for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
> >driving an SUV is unpatriotic?
>
> How much oil are we burning to support all the elderly whose ability to
> contribute is significantly diminished because of Alzheimer's,
> depression, infirmity, etc.?
>
>
> =========================
> "Endeavor to persevere"
> =========================


How much oil are we burning for "Pickles" Kerry to flit around the
globe in his new biz jet??
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:56:27 GMT, Default User
<[email protected]> wrote:

>ben wrote:
>>
>> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
>> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
>> driving an SUV is unpatriotic?
>
>
>He he. All the talk about gas prices amuse me. When I hired in to the
>cumpnee in 1981, gas prices were about $1.20 or so, and I made about 1/3
>of what I do now. That didn't stop me from buying my 1980 Blazer.

Very fair point.

By percentage of household income and similar measures gas prices are
way lower today than they were in the past.

Of course in 1981 oil was over $70 a barrel in today's money.

There then followed the "seven fat years" boom with growth exceeding
an average 4% annually, oil prices continuing to average way higher
than today's price, and oil being a much bigger input to the economy
than today.

The comparative evidence indicates that we are *far* from having oil
sink the economy today.

>
>
>
>Brian Rodenborn

 
[email protected] (Harry Grogan) wrote:

> [email protected]am (David James Polewka) wrote:

> > How much oil are we burning to support all the elderly whose ability to
> > contribute is significantly diminished because of Alzheimer's,
> > depression, infirmity, etc.?
>
> How much oil are we burning for "Pickles" Kerry to flit around the
> globe in his new biz jet??

Oh, I see. You've got the election on your mind.

--
 
ben wrote:
> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices and if ya think
> driving an SUV is unpatriotic? In my own mind its a complicated
> question that can effect US national security (the part where we in
> the USA are dependent upon foreign oil). It was a topic that was sort
> of covered in the last issue of national geographic so I posted
> another rant on why I think in general SUVs suck.
>
>
> http://www.phaster.com/road_trips/are_suvs_unpatriotic.html
>
>
> I just filled up my land cruiser and it took $100+, oh well its my toy
> and its the only vehicle that can accomplish what I want it to do, so
> I don't mind paying for the priviliage of driving the darn thing, but
> with gas prices all over the news and oil prices now just dropping are
> people going to ignore the recient gas price spike??????

They have ignored it for several years now. The whining always gets loud
around Memorial Day (late May) at the peak of the driving season. When
demand goes down and prices fall somewhat, the whining decreases and the
public tends to forget about the pain involved in the $100 fillups. The
public seems to have a very short attention span.


 
Sgt. Sausage wrote:
> "ben" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Don't know know if the question has been asked before, but humor me
>> for a bit and share your thoughts on gas prices
>
> Which thoughts exactly?
>
> Relative to the world, I think we're far to low on
> gas prices.
>
> Relative to past domestic prices, taking into
> consideration inflation, I still think we're too low.
>
> On the other hand, in general, I think they're too
> high -- but only because I'm a consumer seeking
> to reduce my expenses. I've no idea what the "ideal"
> price of a gallon is in the U.S, but I'd like to think it's
> a helluva lot lower than we're paying now and I'd like
> to think we actually have a chance of reducing the
> current prices to that "ideal" price.
>

(cut)

I've seen this type of thinking before, though not expressed so explicitly.
If you could indulge me a bit, please take a bit of time to think about the
"ideal" price and try to tell me why that particular price is ideal.


 
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