differential fluid

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stevett

Guest

• Feb 21, 2005

• #1

I have an 03 Tundra with 4WD TRD off road and Limited Slip Differential
which requires special differential fluid. If plain differential fluid was
added to my truck what are the dangers, if any?

SteveT

 

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[email protected]

Guest

• Feb 22, 2005

• #2

No dangers but the limited slip will slip... special diff fluids
provide some friction additives which will help the slip not slip as
much. Use these and dont worry ..

Slips wear out over time ... then you canuse whatever you want.

Matt

 

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Mike Romain

Guest

• Feb 22, 2005

• #3

You will burn out the diff so the limited slip will no longer work.

Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
at the $tealership it is hard to find.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

stevett wrote:
>
> I have an 03 Tundra with 4WD TRD off road and Limited Slip Differential
> which requires special differential fluid. If plain differential fluid was
> added to my truck what are the dangers, if any?
>
> SteveT

 

P

Peter D. Hipson

Guest

• Feb 22, 2005

• #4

Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that has (by
default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to be
different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy with
them, no additive that I know of...

But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things have
changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so it is
worth looking into.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
>additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
>here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
>additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
>at the $tealership it is hard to find.
>

 

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Mike Romain

Guest

• Feb 23, 2005

• #5

I know, I had everything drained and went to the stores and couldn't get
a gear oil without the 'friction modifier' already added in and I was on
my way for a 10 day bush run the next morning....

****ed me right off, but the semi synthetic seems to work ok in the T5
tranny and the rear and front ends didn't mind the stuff with the
additive I hope....

Mike

"Peter D. Hipson" wrote:
>
> Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that has (by
> default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to be
> different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy with
> them, no additive that I know of...
>
> But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things have
> changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so it is
> worth looking into.
>
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
> >additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
> >here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
> >additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
> >at the $tealership it is hard to find.
> >

 

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Rick Colombo

Guest

• Feb 25, 2005

• #6

The LSD additive will NOT hurt hypoid gears, how could it? Any diff,
with or w/o LSD still has a ring and pinion gear, not to mention
bearings. The friction modifier only works on the clutch pack, nothing
else is affected. -PapaRick

-----------------

Mike Romain wrote:
> I know, I had everything drained and went to the stores and couldn't get
> a gear oil without the 'friction modifier' already added in and I was on
> my way for a 10 day bush run the next morning....
>
> ****ed me right off, but the semi synthetic seems to work ok in the T5
> tranny and the rear and front ends didn't mind the stuff with the
> additive I hope....
>
> Mike
>
> "Peter D. Hipson" wrote:
>
>>Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that has (by
>>default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to be
>>different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy with
>>them, no additive that I know of...
>>
>>But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things have
>>changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so it is
>>worth looking into.
>>
>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
>>>additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
>>>here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
>>>additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
>>>at the $tealership it is hard to find.
>>>

 

M

Mike Romain

Guest

• Feb 25, 2005

• #7

My Tranny is the Borg Warner World Class T5 with something fancy called
synchromesh in it.....

The only gear oils I could find were GL4 + GL5 'compatible' with the
additive.

It will NOT shift gears using that oil without jamming and grinding.

My main point was I couldn't find any oil without the additive, the OP
was having the opposite issues I believe.

Mike

Rick Colombo wrote:
>
> The LSD additive will NOT hurt hypoid gears, how could it? Any diff,
> with or w/o LSD still has a ring and pinion gear, not to mention
> bearings. The friction modifier only works on the clutch pack, nothing
> else is affected. -PapaRick
>
> -----------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > I know, I had everything drained and went to the stores and couldn't get
> > a gear oil without the 'friction modifier' already added in and I was on
> > my way for a 10 day bush run the next morning....
> >
> > ****ed me right off, but the semi synthetic seems to work ok in the T5
> > tranny and the rear and front ends didn't mind the stuff with the
> > additive I hope....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "Peter D. Hipson" wrote:
> >
> >>Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that has (by
> >>default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to be
> >>different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy with
> >>them, no additive that I know of...
> >>
> >>But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things have
> >>changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so it is
> >>worth looking into.
> >>
> >>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
> >>>additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
> >>>here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
> >>>additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
> >>>at the $tealership it is hard to find.
> >>>

 

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Bret Chase

Guest

• Feb 25, 2005

• #8

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:53:12 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
wrote:

>:|My Tranny is the Borg Warner World Class T5 with something fancy called
>:|synchromesh in it.....
>:|
>:|The only gear oils I could find were GL4 + GL5 'compatible' with the
>:|additive.
>:|
>:|It will NOT shift gears using that oil without jamming and grinding.
>:|
>:|My main point was I couldn't find any oil without the additive, the OP
>:|was having the opposite issues I believe.
>:|
>:|Mike
>:|
>:|Rick Colombo wrote:
>:|>
>:|> The LSD additive will NOT hurt hypoid gears, how could it? Any diff,
>:|> with or w/o LSD still has a ring and pinion gear, not to mention
>:|> bearings. The friction modifier only works on the clutch pack, nothing
>:|> else is affected. -PapaRick
>:|>
>:|> -----------------
>:|>
>:|> Mike Romain wrote:
>:|> > I know, I had everything drained and went to the stores and couldn't get
>:|> > a gear oil without the 'friction modifier' already added in and I was on
>:|> > my way for a 10 day bush run the next morning....
>:|> >
>:|> > ****ed me right off, but the semi synthetic seems to work ok in the T5
>:|> > tranny and the rear and front ends didn't mind the stuff with the
>:|> > additive I hope....
>:|> >
>:|> > Mike
>:|> >
>:|> > "Peter D. Hipson" wrote:
>:|> >
>:|> >>Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that has (by
>:|> >>default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to be
>:|> >>different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy with
>:|> >>them, no additive that I know of...
>:|> >>
>:|> >>But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things have
>:|> >>changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so it is
>:|> >>worth looking into.
>:|> >>
>:|> >>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
>:|> >>wrote:
>:|> >>
>:|> >>
>:|> >>>Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
>:|> >>>additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
>:|> >>>here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
>:|> >>>additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
>:|> >>>at the $tealership it is hard to find.
>:|> >>>

the walmart supertech 75w-90 GL5 doesn't have any friction modifiers
in it, IIRC.

hth,
Bret

 

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Steve W.

Guest

• Feb 25, 2005

• #9

"Bret Chase" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:53:12 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >:|My Tranny is the Borg Warner World Class T5 with something fancy
called
> >:|synchromesh in it.....
> >:|
> >:|The only gear oils I could find were GL4 + GL5 'compatible' with
the
> >:|additive.
> >:|
> >:|It will NOT shift gears using that oil without jamming and
grinding.
> >:|
> >:|My main point was I couldn't find any oil without the additive, the
OP
> >:|was having the opposite issues I believe.
> >:|
> >:|Mike
> >:|
> >:|Rick Colombo wrote:
> >:|>
> >:|> The LSD additive will NOT hurt hypoid gears, how could it? Any
diff,
> >:|> with or w/o LSD still has a ring and pinion gear, not to mention
> >:|> bearings. The friction modifier only works on the clutch pack,
nothing
> >:|> else is affected. -PapaRick
> >:|>
> >:|> -----------------
> >:|>
> >:|> Mike Romain wrote:
> >:|> > I know, I had everything drained and went to the stores and
couldn't get
> >:|> > a gear oil without the 'friction modifier' already added in and
I was on
> >:|> > my way for a 10 day bush run the next morning....
> >:|> >
> >:|> > ****ed me right off, but the semi synthetic seems to work ok in
the T5
> >:|> > tranny and the rear and front ends didn't mind the stuff with
the
> >:|> > additive I hope....
> >:|> >
> >:|> > Mike
> >:|> >
> >:|> > "Peter D. Hipson" wrote:
> >:|> >
> >:|> >>Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that
has (by
> >:|> >>default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to
be
> >:|> >>different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy
with
> >:|> >>them, no additive that I know of...
> >:|> >>
> >:|> >>But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things
have
> >:|> >>changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so
it is
> >:|> >>worth looking into.
> >:|> >>
> >:|> >>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain
<[email protected]>
> >:|> >>wrote:
> >:|> >>
> >:|> >>
> >:|> >>>Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn
limited slip
> >:|> >>>additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto
stores around
> >:|> >>>here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have
the
> >:|> >>>additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of
getting robbed
> >:|> >>>at the $tealership it is hard to find.
> >:|> >>>
>
> the walmart supertech 75w-90 GL5 doesn't have any friction modifiers
> in it, IIRC.
>
> hth,
> Bret

That would be Valvoline oil.



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Mike Romain

Guest

• Feb 25, 2005

• #10

Bret Chase wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:53:12 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >:|My Tranny is the Borg Warner World Class T5 with something fancy called
> >:|synchromesh in it.....
> >:|
> >:|The only gear oils I could find were GL4 + GL5 'compatible' with the
> >:|additive.
> >:|
> >:|It will NOT shift gears using that oil without jamming and grinding.
> >:|
> >:|My main point was I couldn't find any oil without the additive, the OP
> >:|was having the opposite issues I believe.
> >:|
> >:|Mike
> >:|
> >:|Rick Colombo wrote:
> >:|>
> >:|> The LSD additive will NOT hurt hypoid gears, how could it? Any diff,
> >:|> with or w/o LSD still has a ring and pinion gear, not to mention
> >:|> bearings. The friction modifier only works on the clutch pack, nothing
> >:|> else is affected. -PapaRick
> >:|>
> >:|> -----------------
> >:|>
> >:|> Mike Romain wrote:
> >:|> > I know, I had everything drained and went to the stores and couldn't get
> >:|> > a gear oil without the 'friction modifier' already added in and I was on
> >:|> > my way for a 10 day bush run the next morning....
> >:|> >
> >:|> > ****ed me right off, but the semi synthetic seems to work ok in the T5
> >:|> > tranny and the rear and front ends didn't mind the stuff with the
> >:|> > additive I hope....
> >:|> >
> >:|> > Mike
> >:|> >
> >:|> > "Peter D. Hipson" wrote:
> >:|> >
> >:|> >>Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that has (by
> >:|> >>default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to be
> >:|> >>different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy with
> >:|> >>them, no additive that I know of...
> >:|> >>
> >:|> >>But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things have
> >:|> >>changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so it is
> >:|> >>worth looking into.
> >:|> >>
> >:|> >>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
> >:|> >>wrote:
> >:|> >>
> >:|> >>
> >:|> >>>Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
> >:|> >>>additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
> >:|> >>>here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
> >:|> >>>additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
> >:|> >>>at the $tealership it is hard to find.
> >:|> >>>
>
> the walmart supertech 75w-90 GL5 doesn't have any friction modifiers
> in it, IIRC.
>
> hth,
> Bret

Thanks, I ended up with a semi synthetic GL4 that works nice. Should do
me for a few years or until the next leak.

Mike

 

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Rick Colombo

Guest

• Feb 27, 2005

• #11

My '76 CJ-7 had syncro in 1st gear (Tremac T-15), is that different than
B-W T5 w/ syncro? Is this in your Jeep? (Btw, if you think syncromesh
gears is something fancy, you're a heck of a lot older than I thought.)
-PapaRick

------------------

Mike Romain wrote:

> My Tranny is the Borg Warner World Class T5 with something fancy called
> synchromesh in it.....
>
> The only gear oils I could find were GL4 + GL5 'compatible' with the
> additive.
>
> It will NOT shift gears using that oil without jamming and grinding.
>
> My main point was I couldn't find any oil without the additive, the OP
> was having the opposite issues I believe.
>
> Mike
>
> Rick Colombo wrote:
>
>>The LSD additive will NOT hurt hypoid gears, how could it? Any diff,
>>with or w/o LSD still has a ring and pinion gear, not to mention
>>bearings. The friction modifier only works on the clutch pack, nothing
>>else is affected. -PapaRick
>>
>>-----------------
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I know, I had everything drained and went to the stores and couldn't get
>>>a gear oil without the 'friction modifier' already added in and I was on
>>>my way for a 10 day bush run the next morning....
>>>
>>>****ed me right off, but the semi synthetic seems to work ok in the T5
>>>tranny and the rear and front ends didn't mind the stuff with the
>>>additive I hope....
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>"Peter D. Hipson" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that has (by
>>>>default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to be
>>>>different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy with
>>>>them, no additive that I know of...
>>>>
>>>>But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things have
>>>>changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so it is
>>>>worth looking into.
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
>>>>>additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
>>>>>here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
>>>>>additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
>>>>>at the $tealership it is hard to find.
>>>>>

 

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Mike Romain

Guest

• Feb 27, 2005

• #12

Yup, the Jeep. The BW has all the gears syncro and they don't like the
GL 5 oils or the friction modifier. The book says you 'can' top it up
with a GL5 if needed, but to only use a GL4 for a fill.

I remember when electronic ignition was new fangled too.... ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Rick Colombo wrote:
>
> My '76 CJ-7 had syncro in 1st gear (Tremac T-15), is that different than
> B-W T5 w/ syncro? Is this in your Jeep? (Btw, if you think syncromesh
> gears is something fancy, you're a heck of a lot older than I thought.)
> -PapaRick
>
> ------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > My Tranny is the Borg Warner World Class T5 with something fancy called
> > synchromesh in it.....
> >
> > The only gear oils I could find were GL4 + GL5 'compatible' with the
> > additive.
> >
> > It will NOT shift gears using that oil without jamming and grinding.
> >
> > My main point was I couldn't find any oil without the additive, the OP
> > was having the opposite issues I believe.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Rick Colombo wrote:
> >
> >>The LSD additive will NOT hurt hypoid gears, how could it? Any diff,
> >>with or w/o LSD still has a ring and pinion gear, not to mention
> >>bearings. The friction modifier only works on the clutch pack, nothing
> >>else is affected. -PapaRick
> >>
> >>-----------------
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>>I know, I had everything drained and went to the stores and couldn't get
> >>>a gear oil without the 'friction modifier' already added in and I was on
> >>>my way for a 10 day bush run the next morning....
> >>>
> >>>****ed me right off, but the semi synthetic seems to work ok in the T5
> >>>tranny and the rear and front ends didn't mind the stuff with the
> >>>additive I hope....
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>
> >>>"Peter D. Hipson" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Uh, Mike, that didn't make sense. I know of no gear oil that has (by
> >>>>default) the additive (like ATF, the additive is 'supposed' to be
> >>>>different for different makes)! I use Lucas oils, and am happy with
> >>>>them, no additive that I know of...
> >>>>
> >>>>But, I will look again to see what is out there. Maybe things have
> >>>>changed, and I didn't notice. You are usually knowledgeable, so it is
> >>>>worth looking into.
> >>>>
> >>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:31 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Although if you can find freaking gear oil without the damn limited slip
> >>>>>additive, let us know will ya? I looked in all the auto stores around
> >>>>>here and only could find a 'semi-synthetic' that didn't have the
> >>>>>additive. My Tranny uses 'plain' gear oil and short of getting robbed
> >>>>>at the $tealership it is hard to find.
> >>>>>