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Zenteren

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Hi,

I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling fan, it
is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm thinking
to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
solution to make it cooling better my engine???



 

You would be better off to get a electric fan setup and do away with
the belt driven fan, either do that or replace the fan clutch.



On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:48:24 +0100, "Zenteren"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling fan, it
>is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm thinking
>to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
>directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
>How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
>bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
>solution to make it cooling better my engine???
>
>


----
Elbert Clarke
elbert.clarke**@us.army.mil
remove ** to email

 
Making the fan 'fixed' will eat some power, not a lot, but some for
sure.

On some of them you can just use longer bolts on the fan and that jams
up the clutch so it all moves together.

As someone else mentioned, you could go electric as well and get rid of
the mechanical fan.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Zenteren wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling fan, it
> is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm thinking
> to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
> directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
> How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
> bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
> solution to make it cooling better my engine???

 
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:40:34 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]>
wrote:

>As someone else mentioned, you could go electric as well and get rid of
>the mechanical fan.


And free up a touch more power. (Something that 1.3L really needs!)

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4
 
I did this once on an '81 Jeep CJ7 4cyl. Power loss was substantial
at higher speed/RPMs and it sounded like a jet engine about 2000 RPMs.
You really need to have a fan clutch on the smaller engines. On my
78 Chevy it was not much of an issue. I ended up removing the fan
entirely and got an electric that mounted to the radiator. I believe
I got it from JC Whitney for about $60. Worked great. my .02

Derek

"Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Hi,
>
> I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling fan, it
> is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm thinking
> to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
> directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
> How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
> bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
> solution to make it cooling better my engine???

 
What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or no
modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all suzuki
off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and anybody who
put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing to cool
their engines down.
Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put only larger
radiator? Please, help!


"Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling fan, it
> is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm

thinking
> to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
> directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
> How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
> bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
> solution to make it cooling better my engine???
>
>
>



 

look in places like Jegs or Summit racing for electric fans.

I'm pretty sure both have some kits for installing electric fans.
you want to have one or two fans that are mounted to the rear of the
raidiator and that pull air through the radiatior, and that are
operated off a tempature switch.

Do not remove the thermstat... a larger radiator is always a plus.
go talk to the local radiatior shop in your area about what is
avaliable.

the simple ufront fix is to replace the fan clutch. If you have some
mechanical experience or have some frriends who can help then
the electric fan setup is another choice.

IF you go with electric fans then get one or two fans that will cover
the maximum area of the rear of the radiiator.

Elbert

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:34:52 +0100, "Zenteren"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or no
>modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all suzuki
>off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and anybody who
>put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing to cool
>their engines down.
>Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put only larger
>radiator? Please, help!
>
>
>"Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling fan, it
>> is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm

>thinking
>> to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
>> directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
>> How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
>> bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
>> solution to make it cooling better my engine???
>>
>>
>>

>


----
Elbert Clarke
elbert.clarke**@us.army.mil
remove ** to email

 
Ok... Lets step back a step or two eh....

First you need to check if the fan clutch has up and quit or if you have
something else making your engine overheat.

Am I reading you correct now and thinking you have an overheating
problem, not just a busted fan clutch you want to anchor solid?

Adding or changing fans or removing t-stats will not help if something
else is broke...

How old is it? How many miles?

To test the fan clutch, you need to heat up the engine and watch the fan
when someone shuts off the engine. A properly working clutch will stop
the fan almost instantly when hot. A dead one will let the fan keep
spinning.

If the fan spins, change the clutch, end of problem.

If not, well....

Check first and come back and post about it, then we might be able to
give you some halfway educated guesses.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Zenteren wrote:
>
> What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or no
> modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all suzuki
> off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and anybody who
> put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing to cool
> their engines down.
> Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put only larger
> radiator? Please, help!
>
> "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling fan, it
> > is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm

> thinking
> > to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
> > directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
> > How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
> > bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
> > solution to make it cooling better my engine???
> >
> >
> >

 
I think you all didn't understand me. My engine temperature is in place when
I am on the road or just traveling on the trail from 3MPH-20MPH. But when my
vehicle stuck on rocky - muddy slope and I have to winch it for the full
wire rope capacity of my WARN then the engine becomes to overheat, I think
it is because I m winching on low RPM, then it is normally that fan cannot
spin fast if the engine is turning slow.
Maybe in that case the electric fan would be the best choice.


"Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok... Lets step back a step or two eh....
>
> First you need to check if the fan clutch has up and quit or if you have
> something else making your engine overheat.
>
> Am I reading you correct now and thinking you have an overheating
> problem, not just a busted fan clutch you want to anchor solid?
>
> Adding or changing fans or removing t-stats will not help if something
> else is broke...
>
> How old is it? How many miles?
>
> To test the fan clutch, you need to heat up the engine and watch the fan
> when someone shuts off the engine. A properly working clutch will stop
> the fan almost instantly when hot. A dead one will let the fan keep
> spinning.
>
> If the fan spins, change the clutch, end of problem.
>
> If not, well....
>
> Check first and come back and post about it, then we might be able to
> give you some halfway educated guesses.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Zenteren wrote:
> >
> > What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or no
> > modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all suzuki
> > off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and anybody

who
> > put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing to cool
> > their engines down.
> > Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put only

larger
> > radiator? Please, help!
> >
> > "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling

fan, it
> > > is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm

> > thinking
> > > to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
> > > directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
> > > How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
> > > bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
> > > solution to make it cooling better my engine???
> > >
> > >
> > >



 
Ok, you have something broke.

Your engine should not overheat at idle.

A worn out fan clutch is a good guess. They do wear out, especially if
you off road in mud and water. Mud gets inside old ones and kills them
fast.

To test the fan clutch.

Heat up the engine fully. Open the hood and watch the fan when someone
else shuts off the engine.

If the fan clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the
fan keeps on spinning, it is dead and the clutch needs changing.

A working fan clutch locks up the fan to the engine when hot and at low
speed.

Mike

Zenteren wrote:
>
> I think you all didn't understand me. My engine temperature is in place when
> I am on the road or just traveling on the trail from 3MPH-20MPH. But when my
> vehicle stuck on rocky - muddy slope and I have to winch it for the full
> wire rope capacity of my WARN then the engine becomes to overheat, I think
> it is because I m winching on low RPM, then it is normally that fan cannot
> spin fast if the engine is turning slow.
> Maybe in that case the electric fan would be the best choice.
>
> "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Ok... Lets step back a step or two eh....
> >
> > First you need to check if the fan clutch has up and quit or if you have
> > something else making your engine overheat.
> >
> > Am I reading you correct now and thinking you have an overheating
> > problem, not just a busted fan clutch you want to anchor solid?
> >
> > Adding or changing fans or removing t-stats will not help if something
> > else is broke...
> >
> > How old is it? How many miles?
> >
> > To test the fan clutch, you need to heat up the engine and watch the fan
> > when someone shuts off the engine. A properly working clutch will stop
> > the fan almost instantly when hot. A dead one will let the fan keep
> > spinning.
> >
> > If the fan spins, change the clutch, end of problem.
> >
> > If not, well....
> >
> > Check first and come back and post about it, then we might be able to
> > give you some halfway educated guesses.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >
> > Zenteren wrote:
> > >
> > > What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or no
> > > modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all suzuki
> > > off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and anybody

> who
> > > put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing to cool
> > > their engines down.
> > > Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put only

> larger
> > > radiator? Please, help!
> > >
> > > "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling

> fan, it
> > > > is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine. I'm
> > > thinking
> > > > to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and fan
> > > > directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump pulley.
> > > > How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water pump
> > > > bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the best
> > > > solution to make it cooling better my engine???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

 
I'll test my clutch the way you wrote and see if it is weared out.
Thanks.



"Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok, you have something broke.
>
> Your engine should not overheat at idle.
>
> A worn out fan clutch is a good guess. They do wear out, especially if
> you off road in mud and water. Mud gets inside old ones and kills them
> fast.
>
> To test the fan clutch.
>
> Heat up the engine fully. Open the hood and watch the fan when someone
> else shuts off the engine.
>
> If the fan clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the
> fan keeps on spinning, it is dead and the clutch needs changing.
>
> A working fan clutch locks up the fan to the engine when hot and at low
> speed.
>
> Mike
>
> Zenteren wrote:
> >
> > I think you all didn't understand me. My engine temperature is in place

when
> > I am on the road or just traveling on the trail from 3MPH-20MPH. But

when my
> > vehicle stuck on rocky - muddy slope and I have to winch it for the full
> > wire rope capacity of my WARN then the engine becomes to overheat, I

think
> > it is because I m winching on low RPM, then it is normally that fan

cannot
> > spin fast if the engine is turning slow.
> > Maybe in that case the electric fan would be the best choice.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Ok... Lets step back a step or two eh....
> > >
> > > First you need to check if the fan clutch has up and quit or if you

have
> > > something else making your engine overheat.
> > >
> > > Am I reading you correct now and thinking you have an overheating
> > > problem, not just a busted fan clutch you want to anchor solid?
> > >
> > > Adding or changing fans or removing t-stats will not help if something
> > > else is broke...
> > >
> > > How old is it? How many miles?
> > >
> > > To test the fan clutch, you need to heat up the engine and watch the

fan
> > > when someone shuts off the engine. A properly working clutch will

stop
> > > the fan almost instantly when hot. A dead one will let the fan keep
> > > spinning.
> > >
> > > If the fan spins, change the clutch, end of problem.
> > >
> > > If not, well....
> > >
> > > Check first and come back and post about it, then we might be able to
> > > give you some halfway educated guesses.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > >
> > > Zenteren wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or no
> > > > modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all

suzuki
> > > > off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and

anybody
> > who
> > > > put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing to

cool
> > > > their engines down.
> > > > Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put only

> > larger
> > > > radiator? Please, help!
> > > >
> > > > "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch cooling

> > fan, it
> > > > > is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine.

I'm
> > > > thinking
> > > > > to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley and

fan
> > > > > directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump

pulley.
> > > > > How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster water

pump
> > > > > bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the

best
> > > > > solution to make it cooling better my engine???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >



 
You really should consider just changing the clutch if it's bad. An electric
fan might work OK for idle cooling, but when you're working the engine hard
at lower speeds the electric may not be enough.

They designed it with an engine driven fan for a reason. In fact, I don't
recall any off road vehicle that doesn't have an engine driven fan. My
Cherokee has an engine driven primary and electric secondary.

When you're working it in 4 low you can really hear the engine driven fan
kicking in. You won't get an electric to pull that much air.

Rigging an engine driven fan that is supposed to have a clutch so that it
does not have a clutch is going to hurt your horsepower. It will cool like a
mutha, but it'll bog your engine down and sound like a jet going down the
road. lol.

I believe your best bet is to replace your fan clutch. If you find you are
still overheating at idle, then add a pusher electric to the front of the
radiator if there's room.

But you don't want to trade good idle cooling for bad high-load cooling.
(ie. electric fan only). You can always give the engine some acceleration
while you are winching if it's getting hot (with a new fan clutch it likely
won't get hot). If the engine is providing the power to the winch, then
winch in 4 low or neutral if you can. It will get your engine rpm up and
increase fan speed. (Of course, with a good fan clutch)

Good luck.


"Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'll test my clutch the way you wrote and see if it is weared out.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Ok, you have something broke.
> >
> > Your engine should not overheat at idle.
> >
> > A worn out fan clutch is a good guess. They do wear out, especially if
> > you off road in mud and water. Mud gets inside old ones and kills them
> > fast.
> >
> > To test the fan clutch.
> >
> > Heat up the engine fully. Open the hood and watch the fan when someone
> > else shuts off the engine.
> >
> > If the fan clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the
> > fan keeps on spinning, it is dead and the clutch needs changing.
> >
> > A working fan clutch locks up the fan to the engine when hot and at low
> > speed.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Zenteren wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you all didn't understand me. My engine temperature is in

place
> when
> > > I am on the road or just traveling on the trail from 3MPH-20MPH. But

> when my
> > > vehicle stuck on rocky - muddy slope and I have to winch it for the

full
> > > wire rope capacity of my WARN then the engine becomes to overheat, I

> think
> > > it is because I m winching on low RPM, then it is normally that fan

> cannot
> > > spin fast if the engine is turning slow.
> > > Maybe in that case the electric fan would be the best choice.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Ok... Lets step back a step or two eh....
> > > >
> > > > First you need to check if the fan clutch has up and quit or if you

> have
> > > > something else making your engine overheat.
> > > >
> > > > Am I reading you correct now and thinking you have an overheating
> > > > problem, not just a busted fan clutch you want to anchor solid?
> > > >
> > > > Adding or changing fans or removing t-stats will not help if

something
> > > > else is broke...
> > > >
> > > > How old is it? How many miles?
> > > >
> > > > To test the fan clutch, you need to heat up the engine and watch the

> fan
> > > > when someone shuts off the engine. A properly working clutch will

> stop
> > > > the fan almost instantly when hot. A dead one will let the fan keep
> > > > spinning.
> > > >
> > > > If the fan spins, change the clutch, end of problem.
> > > >
> > > > If not, well....
> > > >
> > > > Check first and come back and post about it, then we might be able

to
> > > > give you some halfway educated guesses.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Zenteren wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or

no
> > > > > modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all

> suzuki
> > > > > off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and

> anybody
> > > who
> > > > > put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing to

> cool
> > > > > their engines down.
> > > > > Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put

only
> > > larger
> > > > > radiator? Please, help!
> > > > >
> > > > > "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch

cooling
> > > fan, it
> > > > > > is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the engine.

> I'm
> > > > > thinking
> > > > > > to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley

and
> fan
> > > > > > directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump

> pulley.
> > > > > > How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster

water
> pump
> > > > > > bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is the

> best
> > > > > > solution to make it cooling better my engine???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

>
>



 
I think I am going to eliminate clutch cooling fan and make a flange that
will rotate fan. I don't think that this will kill my horsepower because
with 4:1 gearing I have plenty of power (I have to be careful on gas pedal).
I know it sounds impossible for all you big block guys, but my sammy only
weights 800 Kilos (cca 1800lbs). Thank you for help.


"Clem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You really should consider just changing the clutch if it's bad. An

electric
> fan might work OK for idle cooling, but when you're working the engine

hard
> at lower speeds the electric may not be enough.
>
> They designed it with an engine driven fan for a reason. In fact, I don't
> recall any off road vehicle that doesn't have an engine driven fan. My
> Cherokee has an engine driven primary and electric secondary.
>
> When you're working it in 4 low you can really hear the engine driven fan
> kicking in. You won't get an electric to pull that much air.
>
> Rigging an engine driven fan that is supposed to have a clutch so that it
> does not have a clutch is going to hurt your horsepower. It will cool like

a
> mutha, but it'll bog your engine down and sound like a jet going down the
> road. lol.
>
> I believe your best bet is to replace your fan clutch. If you find you are
> still overheating at idle, then add a pusher electric to the front of the
> radiator if there's room.
>
> But you don't want to trade good idle cooling for bad high-load cooling.
> (ie. electric fan only). You can always give the engine some acceleration
> while you are winching if it's getting hot (with a new fan clutch it

likely
> won't get hot). If the engine is providing the power to the winch, then
> winch in 4 low or neutral if you can. It will get your engine rpm up and
> increase fan speed. (Of course, with a good fan clutch)
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'll test my clutch the way you wrote and see if it is weared out.
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Ok, you have something broke.
> > >
> > > Your engine should not overheat at idle.
> > >
> > > A worn out fan clutch is a good guess. They do wear out, especially

if
> > > you off road in mud and water. Mud gets inside old ones and kills

them
> > > fast.
> > >
> > > To test the fan clutch.
> > >
> > > Heat up the engine fully. Open the hood and watch the fan when

someone
> > > else shuts off the engine.
> > >
> > > If the fan clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the
> > > fan keeps on spinning, it is dead and the clutch needs changing.
> > >
> > > A working fan clutch locks up the fan to the engine when hot and at

low
> > > speed.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Zenteren wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think you all didn't understand me. My engine temperature is in

> place
> > when
> > > > I am on the road or just traveling on the trail from 3MPH-20MPH. But

> > when my
> > > > vehicle stuck on rocky - muddy slope and I have to winch it for the

> full
> > > > wire rope capacity of my WARN then the engine becomes to overheat, I

> > think
> > > > it is because I m winching on low RPM, then it is normally that fan

> > cannot
> > > > spin fast if the engine is turning slow.
> > > > Maybe in that case the electric fan would be the best choice.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Ok... Lets step back a step or two eh....
> > > > >
> > > > > First you need to check if the fan clutch has up and quit or if

you
> > have
> > > > > something else making your engine overheat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I reading you correct now and thinking you have an overheating
> > > > > problem, not just a busted fan clutch you want to anchor solid?
> > > > >
> > > > > Adding or changing fans or removing t-stats will not help if

> something
> > > > > else is broke...
> > > > >
> > > > > How old is it? How many miles?
> > > > >
> > > > > To test the fan clutch, you need to heat up the engine and watch

the
> > fan
> > > > > when someone shuts off the engine. A properly working clutch will

> > stop
> > > > > the fan almost instantly when hot. A dead one will let the fan

keep
> > > > > spinning.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the fan spins, change the clutch, end of problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > If not, well....
> > > > >
> > > > > Check first and come back and post about it, then we might be able

> to
> > > > > give you some halfway educated guesses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Zenteren wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or

> no
> > > > > > modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all

> > suzuki
> > > > > > off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and

> > anybody
> > > > who
> > > > > > put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing

to
> > cool
> > > > > > their engines down.
> > > > > > Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put

> only
> > > > larger
> > > > > > radiator? Please, help!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch

> cooling
> > > > fan, it
> > > > > > > is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the

engine.
> > I'm
> > > > > > thinking
> > > > > > > to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley

> and
> > fan
> > > > > > > directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump

> > pulley.
> > > > > > > How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster

> water
> > pump
> > > > > > > bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is

the
> > best
> > > > > > > solution to make it cooling better my engine???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> I think I am going to eliminate clutch cooling fan and make a flange that
> will rotate fan. I don't think that this will kill my horsepower because
> with 4:1 gearing I have plenty of power (I have to be careful on gas pedal).
> I know it sounds impossible for all you big block guys, but my sammy only
> weights 800 Kilos (cca 1800lbs). Thank you for help.
>


The faster your engine spins the more porwer that fan is going to rob,
and that engine doesn't even start making power until it like 4000 RPM.
So on the highway I think you will notice a big drag on the engine.
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Just be aware that the bearings do fail inside the clutches. Mud just
kills them.

When the bearings do fail, the fan has this nasty tendency to eat rads
and slice up hoses and other bad things...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Zenteren wrote:
>
> I think I am going to eliminate clutch cooling fan and make a flange that
> will rotate fan. I don't think that this will kill my horsepower because
> with 4:1 gearing I have plenty of power (I have to be careful on gas pedal).
> I know it sounds impossible for all you big block guys, but my sammy only
> weights 800 Kilos (cca 1800lbs). Thank you for help.
>
> "Clem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > You really should consider just changing the clutch if it's bad. An

> electric
> > fan might work OK for idle cooling, but when you're working the engine

> hard
> > at lower speeds the electric may not be enough.
> >
> > They designed it with an engine driven fan for a reason. In fact, I don't
> > recall any off road vehicle that doesn't have an engine driven fan. My
> > Cherokee has an engine driven primary and electric secondary.
> >
> > When you're working it in 4 low you can really hear the engine driven fan
> > kicking in. You won't get an electric to pull that much air.
> >
> > Rigging an engine driven fan that is supposed to have a clutch so that it
> > does not have a clutch is going to hurt your horsepower. It will cool like

> a
> > mutha, but it'll bog your engine down and sound like a jet going down the
> > road. lol.
> >
> > I believe your best bet is to replace your fan clutch. If you find you are
> > still overheating at idle, then add a pusher electric to the front of the
> > radiator if there's room.
> >
> > But you don't want to trade good idle cooling for bad high-load cooling.
> > (ie. electric fan only). You can always give the engine some acceleration
> > while you are winching if it's getting hot (with a new fan clutch it

> likely
> > won't get hot). If the engine is providing the power to the winch, then
> > winch in 4 low or neutral if you can. It will get your engine rpm up and
> > increase fan speed. (Of course, with a good fan clutch)
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> > "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I'll test my clutch the way you wrote and see if it is weared out.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Ok, you have something broke.
> > > >
> > > > Your engine should not overheat at idle.
> > > >
> > > > A worn out fan clutch is a good guess. They do wear out, especially

> if
> > > > you off road in mud and water. Mud gets inside old ones and kills

> them
> > > > fast.
> > > >
> > > > To test the fan clutch.
> > > >
> > > > Heat up the engine fully. Open the hood and watch the fan when

> someone
> > > > else shuts off the engine.
> > > >
> > > > If the fan clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the
> > > > fan keeps on spinning, it is dead and the clutch needs changing.
> > > >
> > > > A working fan clutch locks up the fan to the engine when hot and at

> low
> > > > speed.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Zenteren wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you all didn't understand me. My engine temperature is in

> > place
> > > when
> > > > > I am on the road or just traveling on the trail from 3MPH-20MPH. But
> > > when my
> > > > > vehicle stuck on rocky - muddy slope and I have to winch it for the

> > full
> > > > > wire rope capacity of my WARN then the engine becomes to overheat, I
> > > think
> > > > > it is because I m winching on low RPM, then it is normally that fan
> > > cannot
> > > > > spin fast if the engine is turning slow.
> > > > > Maybe in that case the electric fan would be the best choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Ok... Lets step back a step or two eh....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First you need to check if the fan clutch has up and quit or if

> you
> > > have
> > > > > > something else making your engine overheat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am I reading you correct now and thinking you have an overheating
> > > > > > problem, not just a busted fan clutch you want to anchor solid?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adding or changing fans or removing t-stats will not help if

> > something
> > > > > > else is broke...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How old is it? How many miles?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To test the fan clutch, you need to heat up the engine and watch

> the
> > > fan
> > > > > > when someone shuts off the engine. A properly working clutch will
> > > stop
> > > > > > the fan almost instantly when hot. A dead one will let the fan

> keep
> > > > > > spinning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the fan spins, change the clutch, end of problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If not, well....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check first and come back and post about it, then we might be able

> > to
> > > > > > give you some halfway educated guesses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zenteren wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What type of electric fan is best to use on suzuki with small or

> > no
> > > > > > > modifications at all on radiator or other mounts? I checked all
> > > suzuki
> > > > > > > off-road shops for electric fan and I didn't find anything and
> > > anybody
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > put electric fan on their rig. I don't know what are they doing

> to
> > > cool
> > > > > > > their engines down.
> > > > > > > Would it help if I pulls out Thermostat valve out? Or maybe put

> > only
> > > > > larger
> > > > > > > radiator? Please, help!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Zenteren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have suzuki samurai 1.3 liter engine with viscous clutch

> > cooling
> > > > > fan, it
> > > > > > > > is wear out and cannot spin fan fast enough to cool the

> engine.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > > thinking
> > > > > > > > to get out clutch system and make an adapter to connect pulley

> > and
> > > fan
> > > > > > > > directly to each other. My fan is connected to the water pump
> > > pulley.
> > > > > > > > How will this modification work? Is it going to wear faster

> > water
> > > pump
> > > > > > > > bearings, and would my engine lost some power, if do what is

> the
> > > best
> > > > > > > > solution to make it cooling better my engine???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

 
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