Hello everyone now that my wedding is nearly paid for I'm thinking of upgrading my p38 to the newer l322. What I want to know is is the diesel and better on fuel then my p38dse and what is the best year to buy ie when the commen faults were sorted or are not as bad any advice would be great thanks
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Datatek
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Slightly better on fuel, negated by the high cost of parts. No more reliable than a P38 of a similar age.
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Post 2006 were more reliable - plus they had the slightly more robust ZF box...
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If you can afford it, get the TDV8 I couldnt and got a TD6, its OK but id much rather the power of the V8 and similar ffuel consumption, depends how big yer wallet is though.....
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Not true!
L322 are far more reliability than the p38( regardless of age), yes they have common faults but compared to a p38 the list is far shorter!
And the price of parts, depends on whom you buy them from!
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Yep like £1300 for the steering column when it breaks, not the mention the water cooled alternator or £260 for one front airspring. There are even more common faults on the L322 in line with it's greater complexity and also water leaks than the P38 at the 10 year mark, liners don't slip but whisper VANOS or the GM auto box, don't forget the door handles which also break like the P38, how about the Sat Nav and DSP failures, injector failures secondary & primary fuel pumps, ask SV8 about that, the list goes on and on.
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Have a test drive first, whilst the TD6 is an improvement over the 2.5 its no ball of fire and lagging well behind more modern diesel engines like the TDV8. V8 on gas is a nicer place to be
My local indy hates the early L322's with a passion and can sort most issues on a P38 before it gets to the garage. He often complains he never suffered from sleepless nights until 2002!! And some of the prices on parts are eye watering to say the least.
I must be the luckiest P38 owner out there, having owned 2 for over 7 years some of the problems I see come up regarding L322's make both of my P38's seem Japanese in their reliability.
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Money pit is a bit harsh...!!! but fair....
Since May I have:
Odds and sods purchased:
Left to do:
Not a bad list of things - it is 9 years old and the ABS sensor, stat and pump could have gone at anytime on my DSE too...or anyone elses Rangie for that matter....
It is just that I come on here and write about it - not to moan but to journal my findings in hope it will help others out when they get problems....
Yes the parts prices are a bit higher, but the work I have done ain't to bad....
Since May I have:
- Recalibrated the EAS as it was running to low (My choice - not a fault - LR Dealer £75)
- Replaced O/S/F ABS Sensor due to chaffed wiring (Fault - LR Dealer £17 for Sensor)
- Busted Wheel Nut (Previous Owners Balls-up - Trip to West Yorks 410 miles round trip, overnight in a hotel, £20 to get nut off, long story so search for it £120 all in incl.fuel)
- Replaced worn Brake Pads (Wear and Tear - New pads and sensors all round - £82)
- Replaced Thermostat due to faulty Heated Element (Fault - GSFCarparts - £52 for new Stat)
- Replaced Failed Fuel Pump (Fault - GSFCarparts BMW X5 pump - £152)
Odds and sods purchased:
- New rear load cover as was missing on purchase (EGay - £50)
- All Comms system (RSW - £182)
- New Jack as mine failed (CAFCO - £113)
- RAC Membership (to get the thing home following Fuel Pump Failure - £108)
Left to do:
- Replace Radiator due to stone chip (Non-fault - stone chipped leading to tiny leak - Island4x4 circa. £165 for OEM Hella Rad)
Not a bad list of things - it is 9 years old and the ABS sensor, stat and pump could have gone at anytime on my DSE too...or anyone elses Rangie for that matter....
It is just that I come on here and write about it - not to moan but to journal my findings in hope it will help others out when they get problems....
Yes the parts prices are a bit higher, but the work I have done ain't to bad....
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some jelous people on here i think
lol
lol
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Money pit is a bit harsh...!!! but fair....
Since May I have:
- Recalibrated the EAS as it was running to low (My choice - not a fault - LR Dealer £75)
- Replaced O/S/F ABS Sensor due to chaffed wiring (Fault - LR Dealer £17 for Sensor)
- Busted Wheel Nut (Previous Owners Balls-up - Trip to West Yorks 410 miles round trip, overnight in a hotel, £20 to get nut off, long story so search for it £120 all in incl.fuel)
- Replaced worn Brake Pads (Wear and Tear - New pads and sensors all round - £82)
- Replaced Thermostat due to faulty Heated Element (Fault - GSFCarparts - £52 for new Stat)
- Replaced Failed Fuel Pump (Fault - GSFCarparts BMW X5 pump - £152)
Odds and sods purchased:
- New rear load cover as was missing on purchase (EGay - £50)
- All Comms system (RSW - £182)
- New Jack as mine failed (CAFCO - £113)
- RAC Membership (to get the thing home following Fuel Pump Failure - £108)
Left to do:
- Replace Radiator due to stone chip (Non-fault - stone chipped leading to tiny leak - Island4x4 circa. £165 for OEM Hella Rad)
Not a bad list of things - it is 9 years old and the ABS sensor, stat and pump could have gone at anytime on my DSE too...or anyone elses Rangie for that matter....
It is just that I come on here and write about it - not to moan but to journal my findings in hope it will help others out when they get problems....
Yes the parts prices are a bit higher, but the work I have done ain't to bad....
Nine years should be no age for a car that cost as much as a P38 or L322. My old Pajero had nothing but oil, filters and pads replaced, never even had to re-charge the aircon, ditto the Galloper although the fuel consumption was what killed it in the end for me. Wife's 25 year old R11 looks tatty but has had no major work done on it.
Blaming the age is just making excuses for the crap quality.
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some jelous people on here i think
lol
Some of us are realists, not blinded by marque image
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My butler wouldn't be to happy in a p38 lol
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Yes I agree
Farqua and Tarpin only let Jeeves take the L322 when chauffeuring them to Polo lessons.
The p38 has one of the Beeters drive it around whilst Tarpin shoots at it with his Purdeys!
Tarpin loves a good day out, shooting Beeters!
Lol
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Well iv Learnt when I do eventually up grade 2006 on thanks it all helps
thanks it all helps
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You sure the 2006 is definitely more reliable ? Or could it just be it hasn't reached the age of the early prefaclift L322's yet ?
Could all the problems start arising in a few years ? Lol
Could all the problems start arising in a few years ? Lol
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Only time will tell I remember what they said about the Triumph stag overheater But there still going strong
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now you mention it,my2.5td pajero just went on and on and on with just oil and filters.boring isn't it?
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All cars, no matter what the badge say's on it's arse, are designed with a 10 year lifespan. When Tarquin buys a new Range Rover it's covered by a 3 year warranty so, he drives it a lot and racks up 90 to 100,000 miles then chops it in for another new one because Daddies Company is paying
Along comes second owner, kids grown up and fled the nest, more disposable income to spend, fancies a Range Rover instead of a new Focus. Chances are he will get 3 years of reliable motoring with the odd bill for tyres, pads, etc. After 3 years he fancies a change so chops it in for a new Hyundi and then brags down the pub how he can get 56 mpg, but deep down knows he's dropped a bollock.( I know someone who did just that ).
Along comes owner 3. He is either like us who has a passion for Land Rover and cares for and maintains his beloved machine, or, he is Jack the Lad who wants to look like a Gangster and blings it up. Once he realises how expensive these vehicles can be to maintain correctly, he prefers to buy more drugs rather than spend it on the car so it deteriates and ends up with a long list of things that don't work no more.
Owner four takes a gamble and spends lots of money putting it right and moaning about it on forums. Not many people post to say how reliable there cars are. Land rovers are no worse than any other prestige vehicle.
All of the above is a generalisation and not ment to offend anyone.
Along comes second owner, kids grown up and fled the nest, more disposable income to spend, fancies a Range Rover instead of a new Focus. Chances are he will get 3 years of reliable motoring with the odd bill for tyres, pads, etc. After 3 years he fancies a change so chops it in for a new Hyundi and then brags down the pub how he can get 56 mpg, but deep down knows he's dropped a bollock.( I know someone who did just that ).
Along comes owner 3. He is either like us who has a passion for Land Rover and cares for and maintains his beloved machine, or, he is Jack the Lad who wants to look like a Gangster and blings it up. Once he realises how expensive these vehicles can be to maintain correctly, he prefers to buy more drugs rather than spend it on the car so it deteriates and ends up with a long list of things that don't work no more.
Owner four takes a gamble and spends lots of money putting it right and moaning about it on forums. Not many people post to say how reliable there cars are. Land rovers are no worse than any other prestige vehicle.
All of the above is a generalisation and not ment to offend anyone.
