Bent TDCi 90 Powertrain

Hi all,

Have been wandering round the site and forum for a few months and thought i'd join up.

Quick question, I have a friend who has access to an almost new, rolled tdci 90, the chassis and bulkhead are bent as are most of the panels but the drivetrain is ok.

Does anyone know the logistics involved in fitting the TDCi into an older vehicle, say a high mileage 2/300tdi?

Am also wondering about fitting a transit engine from a damaged/breakers vehicle, does anyone know if the bellhousings/gearing/output shafts are the same as the landrover'd version?

Cheers for any help.
Matt.

Gearbox will be different too - almost certainly 'do-able' all the same.

The real question would be why? Why change a Tdi to a TDCi with all it's electrical bits - it isn't going to make it fast (faster yes, but still not fast) and the Tdi's are widely touted as the best engines Land Rover ever fitted to the defender.

Better bet would be to repair the rolled 90, providing the chassis isn't twisted, flog it on and use the profit to rebuild the Tdi engine.

Just my $0.02

I'm after the 6 speed box for better motorway cruising, and the quieter running. Plus you can't argue with 360nm and 122PS! It'd be handy for towing the boat (IRO 4 tonnes), and could be chipped just the same to get more torque still.

Electronics don't worry me, am more than happy to fiddle around till it's right.

The real question is is the gearbox different between a tdci 90 and an equivalent 2.4 tdci transit, or have they kept the same box and bolted the transfer box on the back? As it would be cheaper to get an engine out of a crashed transit than this particular 90.

Just seemed like a good project.

Matt.

Matt164 said:

Plus you can't argue with 360nm and 122PS!

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Wanna bet?

122 PS is a [sarcasm]whopping[/sarcasm] 11 ps more than a Tdi - in short, it'll make fook all difference. Yes the torque is significantly better but since the maximum towing weight for a Tdi is exactly the same as the TDCi (i.e. 4 tonnes with a fully braked trailer) it's not going to make the difference you think it will.

No idea whether the gearbox is the same as the transit - probably though as Ford are all for cost saving

If you're after a serious project... have a go at fitting one of these:

Cummins B Series engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In particular the 5.9 ISB version... now that really will make a difference!

Cheers for the link...

100nm more, and a lower first gear will make a difference though, and a cruising 6th that gives you a non-deafening motorway speed when not towing has got to be a good idea! - although the 2/300's i've driven have not been soundproofed, maybe that makes a difference?

That said I've not yet driven a new one, a trip to the dealerships may be in order. Cummins is impressive in terms of torque (and power though not so important) but heavy, and also heavy on fuel? If i've got something that does 16 mpg anyway I might as well make it a rover V8 and get the glorious engine note. But that's a little hard to cope with when you're towing 4 tonnes of boat from kent to lock lomond in scotland - you'd need a second mortgage just to finance the fuel to get it there!

What do you drive?

200 Tdi 90 CSW.

The Dodge Ram they stick the 5.9 12 valve cummins in got mid to low 20's overall MPG - but that's US gallons so a little higher for UK gallons perhaps? Oh yeah... and it weighs 4 tons, so in a 90 it shouldn't be much different on fuel than a Tdi or TD5 lump really.

Easy to tweak apparently too... someone I know on another forum has a 500bhp 12 valver that still gets 24 to the gallon on the 'highway'.

Never guess which route I'm going as and when I break my Tdi