Banana-shaped 1976 109" w/canvas - run away?

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RichardK-PB

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Looking at a 109" Diesel with full canvas tilt to use for
filming/running about on the Waverley Route Heritage Association's
railbed/land - my cars can't quite handle the track even though I saw an
Escort van and a Volvo 740 belting down it!

It's incredibly cheap - £600 with decent length of MOT - and the chassis
and outriggers all look solid as anything, though filthy. Tyres are
good, engine starts first time and eventually stops with the James Bond
smokescreen (A Landie enthusiast was in the garage when I was looking at
it and apparently took the **** because I commented on the smoke - I've
never owned a Landie diesel and he'd have been able to really go for it
when I switched it off and took the keys out then wondered how the hell
to stop it running - he also commented on my suggesting I could get the
bonnet welded (the steel strengthening, because it has a wheel on the
bonnet and has cracked) by going on about how I must not know it's
aluminium. ****. The smokescreen was goot for getting rid of tailgaters,
but was bad enough that when I turned around after 400 yards, I was
driving back through it.

Draglinks are pretty bad - 1/4 turn on the wheel to keep it in a vaguely
straight line - but I'm used to that from the 109 Petrol I used to
drive. Brakes appear to do something. Gearshift is fine, if a little
tricky to catch second due to a rather knackered reverse detent -
familiarity would sort, I think.

However - the one thing I'm worrying about - a little - is the bulkhead.
It's had stuff chucked onto the floor (chequerplate) and seems solid
enough, but it looks like it has 'dropped', causing the front wings to
tilt up slightly (I know I say banana shaped, it's very slight, but the
line from wing, to bulkhead, door and rear isn't straight) and a slight
kink in the sill. Looking under the wheelarch shows a chassis upright
going into the bulkhead, and torn metal (again, filthy, presumably has
been like that for a while) at that point - there's no gap between the
chassis and bulkhead.

Now, if this is a really major f*ckup as it being 'right' goes, then I'm
worried. If it's a mess, but no big deal in terms of using the old thing
to trot up and down a railwayline and take crap to the dump, I don't
care. Nothing budged, nothing creaked, all that really strikes me as a
potential issue is massive chassis flexing if doing some serious
off-roading, and I have no intention of doing any of that in a £600 Land
Rover. I like being alive.

Of course, on the plus side, Landies can always be sorted and I know a
specialist locally - seems to be around £500 for a new bulkhead. I'm
figuring the smoke is probably mostly top end (blue) with a hint of
rings, it's showing 18,000 miles (round the clock. Twice, probably), so
fair enough. Started from cold without a problem, started from hot
without a problem.

Charge light sitting on very slightly, so new alternator is probably on
the cards; until it dies, new battery kept charged flung in the back and
some jumper leads for when it does ;) Fan and heater work, lights work,
horn worked, doors lock, sliding windows slide...

Help and advice appreciated. I'm not as thick about Land Rovers as the
'experts' at the garage, but I've only owned one, and driven two others,
before - and one of the ones I drove was a brand new 110 Defender
County, so hardly counts.

Richard
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On or around Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:20:56 +0100, RichardK-PB
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

<cheap rattler>

does it need to be road-legal?

if not, then there's no need to worry about any of that lot...

the smokescreen, if whitish-blue, would probably die down once it's
thoroughly warm. classic sign of an old, worn diesel.

if it's oil smoke then you'd need to keep an eye on the oil level.

 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:20:56 +0100, RichardK-PB
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> <cheap rattler>
>
> does it need to be road-legal?


Well... yes and no. I'm not going to be using it as a daily hack or
anything - I suspect that diesel or no, even my Supra will be better on
fuel, and it'll do more than 45mph (I didn't want to go faster, and the
Landie seemed to be in thorough agreement).

It will be taxed. It passed an MOT in this state last year, it hasn't
been anywhere (the seller was asking £1,500 for it originally), and I'm
sending it back there. So /passing/ the MOT is unlikely to be an issue.
As long as the damn thing won't fall apart, I don't care - road travel
will consist of the occasional trip through town to the dump, and a 15
mile country road run out to the railway before 'offroading' on the dirt
track, which frankly I'd be happy to tackle in the Beetle (a real Beetle
would have no worries), except there is a sump guard (VW's memories of
the VR6, I reckon) and it 'rattles' the stones in the middle of the
railbed - there's a good six inches clearance everywhere else! Supra
can't do it, though - autobox's sump is /low/.

> if not, then there's no need to worry about any of that lot...
>
> the smokescreen, if whitish-blue, would probably die down once it's
> thoroughly warm. classic sign of an old, worn diesel.


I like the sound of that. Whitish blue, TONs of it until we'd driven
about 8 miles, then idle was clean, still a little when driving.

> if it's oil smoke then you'd need to keep an eye on the oil level.


Little bit of black when revved hard to see if I could pull out of a
junction without applying in triplicate (I could; it's sharp enough off
the line - I know in the wet, my 2.25 petrol was quite happy to swap
ends if I was too confident with it ;) ).

So all I'm really worried about is if it will fall apart. The body to
chassis mountings, as I can gather from looking online, would appear to
be two outriggers under the A-pillars - so my kinked sill/bend could be
them having failed in the past and been replaced badly (compensating for
the kink), or a bend in the chassis (is that even feasible? I can't
imagine there being much Landie left if you hit something hard enough to
bend the chassis).

Oil level was good. Water was good and clean. Heater worked, expansion
tank had water in. And joy, a new alternator from paddocks(?) appears to
be £22. In fact, everything seems cheap, but there's a lot of
'everything' to a Land Rover I guess.

Richard

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RichardK - 1980s in a can. http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/music
Retro computing - http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/retrotech/
Apples - 1977 to 2004. Acorns from Electron to RPC.
MidiGuitar, Enterprise 128, NeXT, AU/X. Stuff. See the links ;)
 
RichardK-PB wrote:

>
> I like the sound of that. Whitish blue, TONs of it until we'd driven
> about 8 miles, then idle was clean, still a little when driving.
>


Needing that length of time to warm up I'd be checking that the
thermostat is present and working correctly. My guess is it's either
missing or jammed open.

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EMB wrote:

> RichardK-PB wrote:
>
>>
>> I like the sound of that. Whitish blue, TONs of it until we'd driven
>> about 8 miles, then idle was clean, still a little when driving.
>>

>
> Needing that length of time to warm up I'd be checking that the
> thermostat is present and working correctly. My guess is it's either
> missing or jammed open.


One year of disuse, I'd be inclined to agree. Standard service item IMO
- I only shy away from changing them on cars with soft alloy heads and
thermostats actually in them instead of some sort of housing ;)

Richard


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Retro computing - http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/retrotech/
Apples - 1977 to 2004. Acorns from Electron to RPC.
MidiGuitar, Enterprise 128, NeXT, AU/X. Stuff. See the links ;)
 
On or around Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:58:27 +0100, RichardK-PB
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>So all I'm really worried about is if it will fall apart. The body to
>chassis mountings, as I can gather from looking online, would appear to
>be two outriggers under the A-pillars - so my kinked sill/bend could be
>them having failed in the past and been replaced badly (compensating for
>the kink), or a bend in the chassis (is that even feasible? I can't
>imagine there being much Landie left if you hit something hard enough to
>bend the chassis).


Oh, you can bend the chassis easy enough, run it into something solid. I
know someone who did just that. However that needn't result in it being
scrap.

>Oil level was good. Water was good and clean. Heater worked, expansion
>tank had water in. And joy, a new alternator from paddocks(?) appears to
>be £22. In fact, everything seems cheap, but there's a lot of
>'everything' to a Land Rover I guess.


for what you want, provided you can get it through an MOT (and that's most
often just a case of welding it up, really, provided it's old enough not to
get saddled with a smoke test) then everything else can just be patched
and/or ignored.

can you arrange to park it where you start the off-road bit? That'd mean it
didn't strictly have to be legal anyway, provided you avoid the trips to the
dump bit.


 
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