Any word on US versions of the diesel Jeep Liberty or diesel Land Rover Discovery?

I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?

any word on this?

R. David Steele wrote:
> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>
> any word on this?

I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel but you
won't see the Discovery diesel for a while. There are no plans to export the
current Disco with the TD5 unit to North America but they may send over the
all-new Discovery when it comes out later this year. It uses a jointly
developed Ford/Peugeot 2.7l V6 turbo diesel with the latest common rail
technology and puts out 200hp and over 300lbs-ft of torque but should still
return 30mpg. The petrol engine will be a Jaguar 4.2 V8 with 300hp.

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:29:52 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> employed a
troop of monkeys to hit keyboards to produce:

>R. David Steele wrote:
>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>>
>> any word on this?
>
>I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel but you
>won't see the Discovery diesel for a while.

The European Jeep Cherokee Diesels (Liberty for US) KJ models are
powered by VM Diesels (2.5 for the manual and 2.8 for the Auto, both
Common Rail types) not a Mercedes Diesel. The only Mercedes engine
being used so far is in the WG Grand Cherokee which has a 2.7 Litre 5
cyl variable vane turbo with electronic injection on a Common Rail
system.
Awesome engine, pity about the rest of the car.

No idea of the introduction to the US though.
Why would you want a diesel in the US?
Doesn't gasoline cost less than the stuff you call beer? ;-)

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ColonelTupperware wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:29:52 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> employed a
> troop of monkeys to hit keyboards to produce:
>
>> R. David Steele wrote:
>>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>>>
>>> any word on this?
>>
>> I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel but
>> you won't see the Discovery diesel for a while.
>
> The European Jeep Cherokee Diesels (Liberty for US) KJ models are
> powered by VM Diesels (2.5 for the manual and 2.8 for the Auto, both
> Common Rail types) not a Mercedes Diesel. The only Mercedes engine
> being used so far is in the WG Grand Cherokee which has a 2.7 Litre 5
> cyl variable vane turbo with electronic injection on a Common Rail
> system.
> Awesome engine, pity about the rest of the car.
>
My mistake, I didn't realise anyone was daft enough to still use VM diesels!


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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:25:34 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> employed a
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>ColonelTupperware wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:29:52 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> employed a
>> troop of monkeys to hit keyboards to produce:
>>
>>> R. David Steele wrote:
>>>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>>>>
>>>> any word on this?
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel but
>>> you won't see the Discovery diesel for a while.
>>
>> The European Jeep Cherokee Diesels (Liberty for US) KJ models are
>> powered by VM Diesels (2.5 for the manual and 2.8 for the Auto, both
>> Common Rail types) not a Mercedes Diesel. The only Mercedes engine
>> being used so far is in the WG Grand Cherokee which has a 2.7 Litre 5
>> cyl variable vane turbo with electronic injection on a Common Rail
>> system.
>> Awesome engine, pity about the rest of the car.
>>
>My mistake, I didn't realise anyone was daft enough to still use VM diesels!

I think that Jeep are going to integrate the Merc engines when they
can, but Merc wont let them have any other engines.
Mind ewe the VM engines aren't that bad now.

Daimler Chrysler give Merc's cast offs to Chrysler Jeep, witness the
Crossfire, an old C type in disguise.

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ColonelTupperware wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:25:34 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> employed a
> troop of monkeys to hit keyboards to produce:
>
>> ColonelTupperware wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:29:52 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> employed
>>> a troop of monkeys to hit keyboards to produce:
>>>
>>>> R. David Steele wrote:
>>>>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>>>>>
>>>>> any word on this?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel
>>>> but you won't see the Discovery diesel for a while.
>>>
>>> The European Jeep Cherokee Diesels (Liberty for US) KJ models are
>>> powered by VM Diesels (2.5 for the manual and 2.8 for the Auto, both
>>> Common Rail types) not a Mercedes Diesel. The only Mercedes engine
>>> being used so far is in the WG Grand Cherokee which has a 2.7 Litre
>>> 5 cyl variable vane turbo with electronic injection on a Common Rail
>>> system.
>>> Awesome engine, pity about the rest of the car.
>>>
>> My mistake, I didn't realise anyone was daft enough to still use VM
>> diesels!
>
> I think that Jeep are going to integrate the Merc engines when they
> can, but Merc wont let them have any other engines.
> Mind ewe the VM engines aren't that bad now.
>
The only ones I've got any experience of are the 2.4 and 2.5 used in Range
Rovers for a while - shudder!

> Daimler Chrysler give Merc's cast offs to Chrysler Jeep, witness the
> Crossfire, an old C type in disguise.

Seems to be a fashion for fancy bodies on low-rent chassis a la Audi TT
these days.

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Roughly 1/14/04 03:29, Exit's monkeys randomly typed:

> R. David Steele wrote:
>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>>
>> any word on this?
>
> I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel but you
> won't see the Discovery diesel for a while. There are no plans to export the
> current Disco with the TD5 unit to North America but they may send over the
> all-new Discovery when it comes out later this year. It uses a jointly
> developed Ford/Peugeot 2.7l V6 turbo diesel with the latest common rail
> technology and puts out 200hp and over 300lbs-ft of torque but should still
> return 30mpg. The petrol engine will be a Jaguar 4.2 V8 with 300hp.

Hmmm, once the mounts and such for the Jag 4.2 are in there, isn't
much more effort to stuff in the good Jaguar bits and make that a
470 hp turbo, aka Discovery S.

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:33:49 +0000, ColonelTupperware
<[email protected]> wrote:

>:|On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:29:52 GMT, "Exit" <[email protected]> employed a
>:|troop of monkeys to hit keyboards to produce:
>:|
>:|>R. David Steele wrote:
>:|>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>:|>>
>:|>> any word on this?
>:|>
>:|>I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel but you
>:|>won't see the Discovery diesel for a while.
>:|
>:|The European Jeep Cherokee Diesels (Liberty for US) KJ models are
>:|powered by VM Diesels (2.5 for the manual and 2.8 for the Auto, both
>:|Common Rail types) not a Mercedes Diesel. The only Mercedes engine
>:|being used so far is in the WG Grand Cherokee which has a 2.7 Litre 5
>:|cyl variable vane turbo with electronic injection on a Common Rail
>:|system.
>:|Awesome engine, pity about the rest of the car.
>:|
>:|No idea of the introduction to the US though.
>:|Why would you want a diesel in the US?
>:|Doesn't gasoline cost less than the stuff you call beer? ;-)

gas is waaaaaaaaay cheaper than beer.... a gal (128 Oz) of gas here
(Maine, USA) is currently $1.60US... a 12 (144 Oz) pack of cheap
domestic beer is about $7.99. diesel has been cheaper than gas for
the last couple of years... it's price has remained rock solid while
gas prices do the yo-yo.

-Bret

L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
> Roughly 1/14/04 03:29, Exit's monkeys randomly typed:
>
>> R. David Steele wrote:
>>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>>>
>>> any word on this?
>>
>> I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel but
>> you won't see the Discovery diesel for a while. There are no plans
>> to export the current Disco with the TD5 unit to North America but
>> they may send over the all-new Discovery when it comes out later
>> this year. It uses a jointly developed Ford/Peugeot 2.7l V6 turbo
>> diesel with the latest common rail technology and puts out 200hp and
>> over 300lbs-ft of torque but should still return 30mpg. The petrol
>> engine will be a Jaguar 4.2 V8 with 300hp.
>
> Hmmm, once the mounts and such for the Jag 4.2 are in there, isn't
> much more effort to stuff in the good Jaguar bits and make that a
> 470 hp turbo, aka Discovery S.

Or even easier, the jag 4.2 supercharged version can easily put out 500hp
with a change of chip. . . . . ;-)

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"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
> > Roughly 1/14/04 03:29, Exit's monkeys randomly typed:
> >
> >> R. David Steele wrote:
> >>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
> >>>
> >>> any word on this?
> >>
> >> I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel but
> >> you won't see the Discovery diesel for a while. There are no plans
> >> to export the current Disco with the TD5 unit to North America but
> >> they may send over the all-new Discovery when it comes out later
> >> this year. It uses a jointly developed Ford/Peugeot 2.7l V6 turbo
> >> diesel with the latest common rail technology and puts out 200hp and
> >> over 300lbs-ft of torque but should still return 30mpg. The petrol
> >> engine will be a Jaguar 4.2 V8 with 300hp.
> >
> > Hmmm, once the mounts and such for the Jag 4.2 are in there, isn't
> > much more effort to stuff in the good Jaguar bits and make that a
> > 470 hp turbo, aka Discovery S.
>
> Or even easier, the jag 4.2 supercharged version can easily put out 500hp
> with a change of chip. . . . . ;-)
>
> --
Why not go the whole hog with the V12?

rhys

rnf2 wrote:
> "Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>>> Roughly 1/14/04 03:29, Exit's monkeys randomly typed:
>>>
>>>> R. David Steele wrote:
>>>>> I thought that these two were to be coming out this month?
>>>>>
>>>>> any word on this?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure about the Jeep which uses the Mercedes turbo-diesel
>>>> but you won't see the Discovery diesel for a while. There are no
>>>> plans to export the current Disco with the TD5 unit to North
>>>> America but they may send over the all-new Discovery when it comes
>>>> out later this year. It uses a jointly developed Ford/Peugeot 2.7l
>>>> V6 turbo diesel with the latest common rail technology and puts
>>>> out 200hp and over 300lbs-ft of torque but should still return
>>>> 30mpg. The petrol engine will be a Jaguar 4.2 V8 with 300hp.
>>>
>>> Hmmm, once the mounts and such for the Jag 4.2 are in there, isn't
>>> much more effort to stuff in the good Jaguar bits and make that a
>>> 470 hp turbo, aka Discovery S.
>>
>> Or even easier, the jag 4.2 supercharged version can easily put out
>> 500hp with a change of chip. . . . . ;-)
>>
>> --
> Why not go the whole hog with the V12?
>
> rhys

There's a chap on alt.fan.landrover with a 4.2 jag unit in a Series 3 and
someone I used to know had a Series 3 with a V12 but he had to move the
radiator rather a long way forward. Went well though!

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:24:27 -0500, Bret Chase <[email protected]>
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>>:|
>>:|No idea of the introduction to the US though.
>>:|Why would you want a diesel in the US?
>>:|Doesn't gasoline cost less than the stuff you call beer? ;-)
>
>gas is waaaaaaaaay cheaper than beer.... a gal (128 Oz) of gas here
>(Maine, USA) is currently $1.60US... a 12 (144 Oz) pack of cheap
>domestic beer is about $7.99. diesel has been cheaper than gas for
>the last couple of years... it's price has remained rock solid while
>gas prices do the yo-yo.
>
Sheesh
Around my neck of the woods, draught beer (real ale not chemicalager)
is typically around £2 a pint and Petrol and Diesel is about 80p /
litre or about 45p a pint. That's about a quarter of the price of
beer.
There are more expensive beers of course, but somewhere near £2 will
get you a pint of session bitter in most places.

I cant work out your quantities in ounces because you use different
ounces and gallons to us. How much is your ordinary bar draft beer a
US gallon?

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:58:10 +0000, ColonelTupperware
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:24:27 -0500, Bret Chase <[email protected]>
>employed a troop of monkeys to hit keyboards to produce:
>
>>>:|
>>>:|No idea of the introduction to the US though.
>>>:|Why would you want a diesel in the US?
>>>:|Doesn't gasoline cost less than the stuff you call beer? ;-)
>>
>>gas is waaaaaaaaay cheaper than beer.... a gal (128 Oz) of gas here
>>(Maine, USA) is currently $1.60US... a 12 (144 Oz) pack of cheap
>>domestic beer is about $7.99. diesel has been cheaper than gas for
>>the last couple of years... it's price has remained rock solid while
>>gas prices do the yo-yo.
>>
>Sheesh
>Around my neck of the woods, draught beer (real ale not chemicalager)
>is typically around £2 a pint and Petrol and Diesel is about 80p /
>litre or about 45p a pint. That's about a quarter of the price of
>beer.
>There are more expensive beers of course, but somewhere near £2 will
>get you a pint of session bitter in most places.
>
>I cant work out your quantities in ounces because you use different
>ounces and gallons to us. How much is your ordinary bar draft beer a
>US gallon?

It's a tolerable approximation to treat a US fluid ounce as being the
same as a UK one. The big difference is that there's 16 fl. oz. in a
US pint, and 20 in a proper one.

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be fooled.

A pint of Draught beer ath the local here costs $3.50 NZD, or about a pound
and twenty P sterling. a 750ml bottle costs $5 NZD.

Diesel is about 65c a litre. or 20 p

Petrol: 91 oct is $1.05, 96 oct is a bit more, $1.17 per litre.

how many litres per gallon? we're metric only here.

rhys

"ColonelTupperware" <[email protected]> wrote

> >gas is waaaaaaaaay cheaper than beer.... a gal (128 Oz) of gas here
> >(Maine, USA) is currently $1.60US... a 12 (144 Oz) pack of cheap
> >domestic beer is about $7.99. diesel has been cheaper than gas for
> >the last couple of years... it's price has remained rock solid while
> >gas prices do the yo-yo.
> >
> Sheesh
> Around my neck of the woods, draught beer (real ale not chemicalager)
> is typically around £2 a pint and Petrol and Diesel is about 80p /
> litre or about 45p a pint. That's about a quarter of the price of
> beer.
> There are more expensive beers of course, but somewhere near £2 will
> get you a pint of session bitter in most places.
>
> I cant work out your quantities in ounces because you use different
> ounces and gallons to us. How much is your ordinary bar draft beer a
> US gallon?
>
> --
> Russ
> Jeep Technician and Big Hairy Biker

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:25:18 +1300, "rnf2" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>:|A pint of Draught beer ath the local here costs $3.50 NZD, or about a pound
>:|and twenty P sterling. a 750ml bottle costs $5 NZD.
>:|
>:|Diesel is about 65c a litre. or 20 p
>:|
>:|Petrol: 91 oct is $1.05, 96 oct is a bit more, $1.17 per litre.
>:|
>:|how many litres per gallon? we're metric only here.
>:|
>:|rhys

4 quarts per gal... a liter is only slightly larger than a quart. How
does the NZD convert to USD?

-Bret
>:|
>:|"ColonelTupperware" <[email protected]> wrote
>:|
>:|> >gas is waaaaaaaaay cheaper than beer.... a gal (128 Oz) of gas here
>:|> >(Maine, USA) is currently $1.60US... a 12 (144 Oz) pack of cheap
>:|> >domestic beer is about $7.99. diesel has been cheaper than gas for
>:|> >the last couple of years... it's price has remained rock solid while
>:|> >gas prices do the yo-yo.
>:|> >
>:|> Sheesh
>:|> Around my neck of the woods, draught beer (real ale not chemicalager)
>:|> is typically around £2 a pint and Petrol and Diesel is about 80p /
>:|> litre or about 45p a pint. That's about a quarter of the price of
>:|> beer.
>:|> There are more expensive beers of course, but somewhere near £2 will
>:|> get you a pint of session bitter in most places.
>:|>
>:|> I cant work out your quantities in ounces because you use different
>:|> ounces and gallons to us. How much is your ordinary bar draft beer a
>:|> US gallon?
>:|>
>:|> --
>:|> Russ
>:|> Jeep Technician and Big Hairy Biker
>:|

been about 68 cents US to the NZD lately, peaking at 72c but dropping back
again. It's been **** since Iraq started, the USD is in freefall against
overseas currencey now, The NZ dollar used to be stable at 50c US +/- 3 or 4
cents. as it is we've kept pretty close to the euro, pound, AUD and other NZ
benchmark currencies while climbing against the USD.

rhys

"Bret Chase" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:25:18 +1300, "rnf2" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >:|A pint of Draught beer ath the local here costs $3.50 NZD, or about a
pound
> >:|and twenty P sterling. a 750ml bottle costs $5 NZD.
> >:|
> >:|Diesel is about 65c a litre. or 20 p
> >:|
> >:|Petrol: 91 oct is $1.05, 96 oct is a bit more, $1.17 per litre.
> >:|
> >:|how many litres per gallon? we're metric only here.
> >:|
> >:|rhys
>
> 4 quarts per gal... a liter is only slightly larger than a quart. How
> does the NZD convert to USD?
>
> -Bret
> >:|
> >:|"ColonelTupperware" <[email protected]> wrote
> >:|
> >:|> >gas is waaaaaaaaay cheaper than beer.... a gal (128 Oz) of gas here
> >:|> >(Maine, USA) is currently $1.60US... a 12 (144 Oz) pack of cheap
> >:|> >domestic beer is about $7.99. diesel has been cheaper than gas for
> >:|> >the last couple of years... it's price has remained rock solid while
> >:|> >gas prices do the yo-yo.
> >:|> >
> >:|> Sheesh
> >:|> Around my neck of the woods, draught beer (real ale not chemicalager)
> >:|> is typically around £2 a pint and Petrol and Diesel is about 80p /
> >:|> litre or about 45p a pint. That's about a quarter of the price of
> >:|> beer.
> >:|> There are more expensive beers of course, but somewhere near £2 will
> >:|> get you a pint of session bitter in most places.
> >:|>
> >:|> I cant work out your quantities in ounces because you use different
> >:|> ounces and gallons to us. How much is your ordinary bar draft beer a
> >:|> US gallon?
> >:|>
> >:|> --
> >:|> Russ
> >:|> Jeep Technician and Big Hairy Biker
> >:|
>

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> A pint of Draught beer ath the local here costs $3.50 NZD, or about a pound
> and twenty P sterling. a 750ml bottle costs $5 NZD.
>
> Diesel is about 65c a litre. or 20 p
>
> Petrol: 91 oct is $1.05, 96 oct is a bit more, $1.17 per litre.
>
> how many litres per gallon? we're metric only here.
>
> rhys
>

Gas is at 81.9 cents/liter here where as diesel is 76.9, so it takes a
long time for a diesel to pay for itself mileage wise in Canada when
it's a $4000-$6000 option on those trucks you can get a diesel motor in.
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"Chris Phillipo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> > A pint of Draught beer ath the local here costs $3.50 NZD, or about a
pound
> > and twenty P sterling. a 750ml bottle costs $5 NZD.
> >
> > Diesel is about 65c a litre. or 20 p
> >
> > Petrol: 91 oct is $1.05, 96 oct is a bit more, $1.17 per litre.
> >
> > how many litres per gallon? we're metric only here.
> >
> > rhys
> >
>
> Gas is at 81.9 cents/liter here where as diesel is 76.9, so it takes a
> long time for a diesel to pay for itself mileage wise in Canada when
> it's a $4000-$6000 option on those trucks you can get a diesel motor in.
> --

Thats Expensive, the AA New car price comparasions are available at
www.nzaa.co.nz


The Land rover Freelander for example comes in a 4 cyl 2L turbo diesel and a
2.5L V6 for exactly the same price. $57.490NZD for the auto. the manual is
only available as a diesel for 2K less. the Disco SE Td5 2.5L diesel and
the 4L V8 petrol are the same price at $69,500 NZD, petrol and diesel HSEs
are $90,000 NZD. only the SE Td5 is available as a manual for 4K less.
Petrol Range rovers cost more than diesel range rovers.

The BMW 330i SE Petrol is $100,900NZD while the 330D SE Diesel is
$98,900NZD.

Toyota Hilux 4x2 SR5 manual D/cab petrol is $40,800NZD while the diesel is
$40,000
The same in 4x4 are both $51,500

Landcruiser Prado RV, Diesel and Petrol are the same price

theres a big range of vehicles with diesels at the same or lower price...

rhys

rnf2 <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Or even easier, the jag 4.2 supercharged version can easily put out 500hp
> > with a change of chip. . . . . ;-)
> >
> > --
> Why not go the whole hog with the V12?

Because the 4.2 V8 has better fuel economy and more oomph than the V12.
The V12 was a lovely engine, still is, but it's no match for the AJV8.
Not unless it's tuned up "quite a bit" in which case the 6.0 V12 can
produce over 700bhp.

However in standard form, the supercharged V8 is the mutts nutts. Should
be easy to retrofit a supercharger to V8 Land Rover products in the near
future and I expect to see Overfinch do exactly that.

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"Steve Firth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> rnf2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Or even easier, the jag 4.2 supercharged version can easily put out
500hp
> > > with a change of chip. . . . . ;-)
> > >
> > > --
> > Why not go the whole hog with the V12?
>
> Because the 4.2 V8 has better fuel economy and more oomph than the V12.
> The V12 was a lovely engine, still is, but it's no match for the AJV8.
> Not unless it's tuned up "quite a bit" in which case the 6.0 V12 can
> produce over 700bhp.
>
> However in standard form, the supercharged V8 is the mutts nutts. Should
> be easy to retrofit a supercharger to V8 Land Rover products in the near
> future and I expect to see Overfinch do exactly that.
>
> --

I've seen Range rovers here in NZ re-engined with Australian Holden V6 3.8L
engines. they'll take a supercharger without modification. Not sure the
output, but the Holden cars go fast! a 3.8L SS Berlina maxes over 290K on a
track.

rhys