And diesel doesn't wax , or have hot start problems or pressurize the cooling systems or blow the radiators?

Sorry chaps both engines are equally unreliable if not maintained , granted the v8 block problems are well documented on here so are diesel problems.


United Kingdom
The United Kingdom differentiates diesel fuel into Summer and Winter Fuel according to BS EN 950[31] and BS EN14214 (biodiesel).[32][33] The same numbers are used in the Republic of Ireland. Distribution of winter biodiesel in the United Kingdom starts in November and ends in March.[31]
Designation CFPP value time frame Cloud Point
Summer Fuel -5 °C 16.03. - 15.11. 3 °C
Winter Fuel -15 °C 16.11. - 15.03. -5 °C
 
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lowfat said:
And diesel doesn't wax , or have hot start problems or pressurize the cooling systems or blow the radiators?

Sorry chaps both engines are equally unreliable if not maintained , granted the v8 block problems are well documented on here so are diesel problems.


United Kingdom
The United Kingdom differentiates diesel fuel into Summer and Winter Fuel according to BS EN 950[31] and BS EN14214 (biodiesel).[32][33] The same numbers are used in the Republic of Ireland. Distribution of winter biodiesel in the United Kingdom starts in November and ends in March.[31]
Designation CFPP value time frame Cloud Point
Summer Fuel -5 °C 16.03. - 15.11. 3 °C
Winter Fuel -15 °C 16.11. - 15.03. -5 °C
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Head failure is usually the result of overheating not the cause of it. M51 engines can and do record 200/300K miles, not heard of that many Rover V8's getting near that. Hot start is simply fixed unlike slipped liners.
Diesel fuel waxes but it's simply fixed with a fuel line heater, they run fine at minus 50C in Canada where LPG would be long dead:p:)
 
Scotland! disco minimum 300 tdi,for me defender 300 my old one is in Dundee and my mate loves is all that cold wet salty snow will rot your pretty p38 in no time gl
 
lowfat said:
And diesel doesn't wax , or have hot start problems or pressurize the cooling systems or blow the radiators?

Sorry chaps both engines are equally unreliable if not maintained , granted the v8 block problems are well documented on here so are diesel problems.


United Kingdom
The United Kingdom differentiates diesel fuel into Summer and Winter Fuel according to BS EN 950[31] and BS EN14214 (biodiesel).[32][33] The same numbers are used in the Republic of Ireland. Distribution of winter biodiesel in the United Kingdom starts in November and ends in March.[31]
Designation CFPP value time frame Cloud Point
Summer Fuel -5 °C 16.03. - 15.11. 3 °C
Winter Fuel -15 °C 16.11. - 15.03. -5 °C
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Not in England they don't. Many moons ago when we had winters they did but not so much now. And yes anti waxing agents do lower the fuel economy a little. The V8 is marginal engine due to the cheap mods done to it by Rover over the years. The 3.5 was almost bullet proof by comparison to it's overbored big brother.
 
wammers said:
Not in England they don't. Many moons ago when we had winters they did but not so much now. And yes anti waxing agents do lower the fuel economy a little. The V8 is marginal engine due to the cheap mods done to it by Rover over the years. The 3.5 was almost bullet proof by comparison to it's overbored big brother.
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Tony, if the 3.5 is bomb proof, is it not possible to fit it to the P38 injection and all? Might make it a more reliable petrol burner:)
 
Most cars unrilability is due owners expecting/ leaving things until its too late.
All cars have faults it's part of owning a
Car and learning its faults in most circumstances replacement or worn parts wil suffice long term enjoyment and high mileages , if you drive like a **** taking your car to its most extremes then what do you expect!we have 63 Year old tractors and engines that are still reliable and in excelent working condition so like I say respect what you one as no one else will tough world out there isn't it !
 
defender300td1 said:
Most cars unrilability is due owners expecting/ leaving things until its too late.
All cars have faults it's part of owning a
Car and learning its faults in most circumstances replacement or worn parts wil suffice long term enjoyment and high mileages , if you drive like a **** taking your car to its most extremes then what do you expect!we have 63 Year old tractors and engines that are still reliable and in excelent working condition so like I say respect what you one as no one else will tough world out there isn't it !
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Odd that all my Jap cars have been totaly reliable over high mileages, my Volvo's were pretty reliable too but the P38 forever want's something fixing from the headlining to the foam so called filter on the heater intake not to metion RF receivers, door handles & locks and so and so on.
 
Datatek said:
Odd that all my Jap cars have been totaly reliable over high mileages, my Volvo's were pretty reliable too but the P38 forever want's something fixing from the headlining to the foam so called filter on the heater intake not to metion RF receivers, door handles & locks and so and so on.[/QUOTE1999 model I superseded all that crap when the assemblers couldn't be arsed to put them together. But on a serious note all cars have faults in one way or another they can be rectified and fixed look at all the classics that are alive today. Cars arnt bullet proof to this day most have failed in one way or another. It's up to an owner to fix remedy any problems, in any of my cars any problem that has been rectified has never returned under my ownership.
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Not as far north as you (outside Edinburgh) but we wouldn't be without the range rover, its a struggle to get the missus to drive our other car as she loves it that much. They are quirky but as already suggested, buy as new as you can and buy diesel and you'll be fine. I warn you though, once you've driven one you'll want nothing else!

I bought old, V8 and unloved but then I love getting stuck in with the spanners and am possibly not right in the head! Touch wood, bar some ongoing niggles its been totally reliable and frankly laughed at the blizzards on the A9 going to see the rest of the family up north on regular goodyear wranglers. :)
 
Hi guys

I'm a bit smitten with a Vogue - I fancy going to work in a mobile hotel room, wow! (That said I am keeping my head and have sent off a list to the owner of all the receipts I want to see for things fixed - on top of the FSH - thanks to you guys I almost sound like I know a lot about Rangies ;)) X reg (2000) on is the THOR engine right, not the GEMS - I think that got rid of the bottom end problems? Taking on board everything you guys are saying though and looking at diesels too. Nothing nice going locally currently in that line though, lots of high mileage and lack of service history :( One thing I have definitely got is that it needs FSH - and if it hasn't had any of the common faults fixed - budget to fix them!

Have I read the above right that running on LPG can actually weaken the V8 engine? How does that work? (Bearing in mind that I understand 4 stroke combustion but not much more detail than that :) )

This will probably start a row, but interested to know what you guys think the life expectancy mileage-wise if of the 4.6V8, if well maintained?

Thanks again, this is a really great forum for us Rangie noobs :)
 
Morgaine said:
Hi guys

I'm a bit smitten with a Vogue - I fancy going to work in a mobile hotel room, wow! (That said I am keeping my head and have sent off a list to the owner of all the receipts I want to see for things fixed - on top of the FSH - thanks to you guys I almost sound like I know a lot about Rangies ;)) X reg (2000) on is the THOR engine right, not the GEMS - I think that got rid of the bottom end problems? Taking on board everything you guys are saying though and looking at diesels too. Nothing nice going locally currently in that line though, lots of high mileage and lack of service history :( One thing I have definitely got is that it needs FSH - and if it hasn't had any of the common faults fixed - budget to fix them!

Have I read the above right that running on LPG can actually weaken the V8 engine? How does that work? (Bearing in mind that I understand 4 stroke combustion but not much more detail than that :) )

This will probably start a row, but interested to know what you guys think the life expectancy mileage-wise if of the 4.6V8, if well maintained?

Thanks again, this is a really great forum for us Rangie noobs :)
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Well maintained it should run a lifetime....

LPG does burn hotter, but aslong as the cooling system is tip top and you keep it that way...no problems....
 
Morgaine said:
Hi guys





This will probably start a row, but interested to know what you guys think the life expectancy mileage-wise if of the 4.6V8, if well maintained?

Thanks again, this is a really great forum for us Rangie noobs :)
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About half the life expectancy of the diesel unless it slips the liners running on gas, then the life expectancy is a complete gamble:rolleyes:
 
As SaintV8 said, look after the cooling system & a V8 on a well fitted sequential LPG system shouldn't be a problem. The vogue is the height of luxury, just more things to go wrong.
 
hi morgaine, i had a 110, but the money i was spending keeping it on the road was a bit much, so i traded it in for a rangerover.
got gg ats on it and it was spot on in the snow last year, although it wasnt as bad as we have had past couple o winters.where abouts are ya up here?
 
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