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steveyorks

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I have a 1988 110 with drums on the rear. I currently have spacers fitted as it has alloys on it but have seen some Wolf rims with 265 tyres that I fancy for off road use. Can anyone tell me if they will fit as I know LR wheels changed PCD for the TD5 version and I don't know which vehicle the Wolfs (or Wolves?)would go on.
 
ALL defenders have same pcd, they didn't change for the td5, that's Discovery.
Wolf wheels will fit but it's the studs you need to look at.
Search on here there's other threads about it. Some say buy new studs @ about £100 some say tighten the nuts a bit more than usual.
 
steveyorks said:
I have a 1988 110 with drums on the rear. I currently have spacers fitted as it has alloys on it but have seen some Wolf rims with 265 tyres that I fancy for off road use. Can anyone tell me if they will fit as I know LR wheels changed PCD for the TD5 version and I don't know which vehicle the Wolfs (or Wolves?)would go on.
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I have wolf wheels on my drum equipped 2.5na (fitted with 200tdi) 90 - thy fit fine.

Only thing is the studs look short when it’s fitted and Land Rover day you have to torque them up more to compensate - 225lbs/ft iirc but will check later for you
 
Discokids said:
ALL defenders have same pcd, they didn't change for the td5, that's Discovery.
Wolf wheels will fit but it's the studs you need to look at.
Search on here there's other threads about it. Some say buy new studs @ about £100 some say tighten the nuts a bit more than usual.
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Land Rover and the MOD say just torque the shorter studs up more - they did a study when the rolled wolf wheels out across the whole MOD Land Rover fleet and found they didn’t need to change studs.
 
If I shot somebody in the face because I thought they were a terrorist, saying 'but the army do it' wouldn't excuse my behaviour so the fact that some squaddies just use a longer scaffold tube doesn't satisfy me. It amazes me that something can be designed to do a job, then not only reduced in size but have the load on its reduced size increased.
Like the police force for instance.
 
Nonsense, a nut doesnt have to have threads showing above it to hold integraty, ive had wolf wheels on my 85 90 for ten years now, ive never over tightened them and they have never fallen off, ive been up and down Eueope, ive been all over this country, ive been green laning, pay and play, up the sides of greek mountains, never had a problem.
 
Interesting. Its recognised that 1 1 /2 threads should come through a nut for it to be "in - safety" but with the Wolf wheels and std studs this doesn't happen. Best fix is longer studs, worst one (I've seen it) is to thin the wheels. I don't get the logic of the higher torque, There was a spate of wheels coming off ambulances many years ago, it was due to overtightening of the studs but the more wheels came off the more the mechs tightened the studs. I would think it would be legit to use thinner nuts with (say) 1/2 turn showing at the nomal torque. You need to see that each nut is properly on, the torque will tell you its tight but not whether its correctly seated, for that you need to see the stud.
 
the reason for the greater torque is wolf wheels are heavier and there is a greater risk of nuts coming loose ,front passenger side is the most likely, tightness is more important than extra stud lenght imo
 
rob1miles said:
Interesting. Its recognised that 1 1 /2 threads should come through a nut for it to be "in - safety" but with the Wolf wheels and std studs this doesn't happen. Best fix is longer studs, worst one (I've seen it) is to thin the wheels. I don't get the logic of the higher torque, There was a spate of wheels coming off ambulances many years ago, it was due to overtightening of the studs but the more wheels came off the more the mechs tightened the studs. I would think it would be legit to use thinner nuts with (say) 1/2 turn showing at the nomal torque. You need to see that each nut is properly on, the torque will tell you its tight but not whether its correctly seated, for that you need to see the stud.
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I was aware of that. But in practice I sometimes ran modular wheels on my Ninety, which were sightly thicker than standard wheels. The studs didn't quite come out to the end of the nuts, and there was never a problem.
 
nobber said:
Nonsense, a nut doesnt have to have threads showing above it to hold integraty, ive had wolf wheels on my 85 90 for ten years now, ive never over tightened them and they have never fallen off, ive been up and down Eueope, ive been all over this country, ive been green laning, pay and play, up the sides of greek mountains, never had a problem.
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Yesterday you were suggesting that your car might fall foul of the law because you'd fitted a new rear crossmember but today it's ok to fit aftermarket wheels on the standard studs?
Which side of the fence are you on nobber?
 
Discokids said:
Yesterday you were suggesting that your car might fall foul of the law because you'd fitted a new rear crossmember but today it's ok to fit aftermarket wheels on the standard studs?
Which side of the fence are you on nobber?
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I don't see anything in any regs, rebuild or radically altered regarding wheel studs. There are no laws regarding wolf wheels and wheel studs, they are not unsafe, they are not illegal , to my knowledge no one has ever had a wolf wheel fall off due to wheel studs.

I had an old series 3 BMW many many years ago, some smart arse decided to loosen my back wheel nuts, for days I drove around wondering what the wobble at the back of the car was, I thought it was bushings, took me a while to find the back wheels were loose, my point is, if your wheel nuts come loose you will know all about it before your wheel falls off.
 
nobber said:
I don't see anything in any regs, rebuild or radically altered regarding wheel studs. There are no laws regarding wolf wheels and wheel studs, they are not unsafe, they are not illegal , to my knowledge no one has ever had a wolf wheel fall off due to wheel studs.

I had an old series 3 BMW many many years ago, some smart arse decided to loosen my back wheel nuts, for days I drove around wondering what the wobble at the back of the car was, I thought it was bushings, took me a while to find the back wheels were loose, my point is, if your wheel nuts come loose you will know all about it before your wheel falls off.
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But to contradict your theory, which I must say I don't entirely disagree with, Land Rover manufacture and sell a specific stud primarily for these wheels, so if for instance, somebody is driving along and loses a wolf wheel, for whatever reason, and it just happens to kill somebody, when that driver is stood in court there is going to be a specialist brought in probably from lr to give evidence as to any issue affecting the reason the wheel came off, and they're going to stand there and say 'yes, these wheels are supplied by Land Rover but we also supply extended studs with which to secure them to the vehicle'.
 
Discokids said:
But to contradict your theory, which I must say I don't entirely disagree with, Land Rover manufacture and sell a specific stud primarily for these wheels, so if for instance, somebody is driving along and loses a wolf wheel, for whatever reason, and it just happens to kill somebody, when that driver is stood in court there is going to be a specialist brought in probably from lr to give evidence as to any issue affecting the reason the wheel came off, and they're going to stand there and say 'yes, these wheels are supplied by Land Rover but we also supply extended studs with which to secure them to the vehicle'.
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that is very true
 
Discokids said:
But to contradict your theory, which I must say I don't entirely disagree with, Land Rover manufacture and sell a specific stud primarily for these wheels, so if for instance, somebody is driving along and loses a wolf wheel, for whatever reason, and it just happens to kill somebody, when that driver is stood in court there is going to be a specialist brought in probably from lr to give evidence as to any issue affecting the reason the wheel came off, and they're going to stand there and say 'yes, these wheels are supplied by Land Rover but we also supply extended studs with which to secure them to the vehicle'.
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I might be wrong, but I wasn't aware the studs were removable from the hubs?
 
Said expert would also have to explain that many hundreds of Land Rovers have been sold by them with the heavy duty (Wolf) wheel package and with them fitted on the standard studs. It’s not a problem - stop trying to make it into one.
 
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