TCubed said:
Do you think they would become classics even if they have been used as a car for decades and hence have extreme mileage?
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Any cleanish well serviceable classic Range Rover is now fetching good money irrespective or mileage and service history. I don't see why the p38 should be any different.
 
martynv8 said:
I keep reading this as i cant believe what my eyes are telling me.:eek:
So you think the Germanic L322 is a close representation of a British classic?
Couldn't be further in my eyes.
PS. before i get accused of having rose tinted's on, no i don't think the P38 will ever become a classic.....that's exclusive to the classic.
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The L322 was designed by the British, not the Germans. This is a good read:

Concepts and Prototypes : Range Rover L322 - AROnline
 
[IThis is then entered on the license disc displayed on the windscreen as "historic vehicle" (if a car built before this date has been first registered in 1973 or later, then its build date would have to be verified by a recognized body such as British Motor Heritage Foundation to claim tax-free status). HM Revenue and Customs define a classic car for company taxation purposes as being over 15 years old and having a value in excess of £15,000.[4] Additionally, popular acclaim through a large number of classic car magazines plays an important role in whether a car comes to be regarded as a classic. It is all subjective and a matter of opinion. The elimination of depreciation is a reason for buying a classic car; this is a major cost of owning a modern car. Picking 'future classics' that are current 'bangers' is a pastime of people into classic cars in the UK. Successfully picking and buying one can result in a profit for the buyer as well as providing transport. An immaculate well cared for prestige model with high running costs, that impacts its value, but is not yet old enough to be regarded as a classic, could be a good buy, for example


Above Quoted from wikipedia .... All cars will become classic as soon as we run out of oil on this planet unless it runs on bio fuel your just going to own a lump of metal .... But flip me what a lump of metal ! ! ! (Even though my water pump has broke !)

Better question is to ask what will you do with you P38 if you can't drive it !?

Chicken coop ?
Duck House ?
 
Bix said:
I agree the P38 will never be a classic. Doesn't help people mistake them for a Metro cab. To be honest, I doubt any modern 4x4 will become a classic.
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I like the look of the P38 - I think it's the best looking Range Rover yet, the original 3 door Ranger Rover looked great - the 5 door always looked like a lash-up to me. Horses for courses I believe is the expression. how good looking is a Ford XR3i? A very workaday average looking car - seen how much they fetch now? Let alone an RS Turbo. The P38 is the last Range Rover when you can look under the car and see (traditional) Land Rover mechanicals - that has to count for something in the long-run. Diesels are worth more now as they are more accessible to buyers running them on a shoe-string - but I believe the V8s will be the future classics - like it or loathe it the Rover V8 is a legendary engine in its own right and as the value of a car increases the less running costs will become part of the equation. There was a time when Rover V8 engined Series Landies were worthless - now they are the car everyone wants.
 
Wouldnt worry about stockpiling parts at the rate fuels going in ten years it would cost too much to drive it far enough to break anything lol
but I agree about the xr3i about 10 years ago I scraped one for £20 carnt get a wrecked one for less than £100 now
then look at the ford capri even an absolute rot box can fetch £500 a real good one can get £10,000+
 
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stjohnsmythe said:
The L322 was designed by the British, not the Germans. This is a good read:

Concepts and Prototypes : Range Rover L322 - AROnline
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An interesting read...obviously a pro british article. The fact is at the time of the L322 development, Land Rover were owned by BMW who basically took over the development of the L322.
Dont get me wrong, i'm not knocking German design but you can see the influences everywhere : Sharp lines, light clusters, hard interior. It practically shares much with the X5 afterall.
The P38 was the last of the true brit Range Rovers....is that a good thing?
 
martynv8 said:
An interesting read...obviously a pro british article. The fact is at the time of the L322 development, Land Rover were owned by BMW who basically took over the development of the L322.
Dont get me wrong, i'm not knocking German design but you can see the influences everywhere : Sharp lines, light clusters, hard interior. It practically shares much with the X5 afterall.
The P38 was the last of the true brit Range Rovers....is that a good thing?
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Actually, I think the last true brit Range Rover was the Classic. After all, diesel P38s are fitted with a BMW engine and aren't most of the electrics German?
 
Nothing about the L322 is wrong, it was an intelligent evolution of the P38 and as with most new models, a step/leap forwards... the future classic status does not come down to to how reliable it was/is or the fact that the glove box really isn't very large but the styling....
Its all about the styling, love it or hate it, it is one of the most recognisable shapes in the world, i fail to see how it could have been bettered. In the concept review, it is quite remarkable that one of the sketches for the L322 look eerily like the L405....

We could have had the hideous angular one, we should be grateful for what we got. Sure it has problems, mostly electrical, but fundamentally it IS a proper Range Rover, for it's time and beyond.......
 
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stjohnsmythe said:
Actually, I think the last true brit Range Rover was the Classic. After all, diesel P38s are fitted with a BMW engine and aren't most of the electrics German?
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And until the last few years the classic was fitted with an Italian diesel engine.
We are talking about design here. The p38 was a 100% rover designed car with land rover drivetrain components that can be traced back decades. The L322 and bmw x5 were legs of a bmw/rover design - loosely based on the bmw 7 series.
 
donp38 said:
it needs to be totally mint with super history.

is it?
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Its pretty perfect in every way cosmetically apart from
a slight inside edge on one of the rear picnic tables.
key scratch on rear drivers side door.
New tyres & all 5 wheels refurbd in Feb
Both bumpers refurbed in June
Every button & switch works
£1,900 BRC multi point LPG conversion 2 yrs ago.
Not so good is:
Drivers seat air bag is showing on diagnostics as an error
only 20 % of the heated screen worked last winter.
Drivers heated seat, doesn't heat any more.

The down side is that
it has £136K on its original engine :-(
but service history is pretty much in tacked.

£73K in 2001 - offerd £2K (which was £800 more than we buy any car !!!!
 
I wonder what mine cost new...?

L322 2002 Vogue V8, probably north of 75 grand i imagine..

** Now available at a forum near you for under a tenth of that**:D
 
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Pretty sure there's no airbag service light/indicator. I seem to recall reading somewhere a recommendation the airbags should be replaced after 10 years. I doubt anyone has done this though due to the cost, I certainly haven't.
Note: we're talking SRS airbags here.:eek:
 
mikeateves said:
Pretty sure there's no airbag service light/indicator. I seem to recall reading somewhere a recommendation the airbags should be replaced after 10 years. I doubt anyone has done this though due to the cost, I certainly haven't.
Note: we're talking SRS airbags here.:eek:
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No indicator. Side airbags 10 years, front airbags 15 years.:) I've ditched the side airbags, I know from experience that they are useless.
 
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