fortgrange · Nov 9, 2011

My mates 2000/X reg P38 (170K) slipped a liner and he got a Turners engine and had a local LR Indy fit it all for the grand sum of £5.5K

I've been out of the loop with replacement engines since the 80's when I replaced my Cortina Mk4 and a few years later done a Granada 2.8. Maybe my memory is fading but I don't remember such eye popping figures back in those days. Just why are these engines so expensive?

I know they are worthless without an engine but if mine slipped a liner I just think I'd put a match to it. Throwing £5.5K at a motor worth considerably less does not appeal.

A few months ago went with a mate to look at a 1999 V plate on 105K, LPG converted and bills for an engine rebuild, eas all working and all in all a tidy P38. It was up for £3K so I'm guessing you could have got it for £2750. That has to be the way to go if the worst happens.

Sean · Nov 9, 2011

if you'd ever built an engine, properly, with quality parts, you'd know why they are so expensive

StuckAgainSteve · Nov 9, 2011

Sean said:
if you'd ever built an engine, properly, with quality parts, you'd know why they are so expensive

Perhaps - but not that expensive!

roddy4 · Nov 9, 2011

StuckAgainSteve said:
Perhaps - but not that expensive!

it's under the green oval,everything is expensive for parts,as the first time round they got it all wrong,so when you need a replacement,that is made propely you pay for it big time imo, will wait now for other comments

op2:

Fur Trapper · Nov 9, 2011

fortgrange said:
My mates 2000/X reg P38 (170K) slipped a liner and he got a Turners engine and had a local LR Indy fit it all for the grand sum of £5.5K

I've been out of the loop with replacement engines since the 80's when I replaced my Cortina Mk4 and a few years later done a Granada 2.8. Maybe my memory is fading but I don't remember such eye popping figures back in those days. Just why are these engines so expensive?

I know they are worthless without an engine but if mine slipped a liner I just think I'd put a match to it. Throwing £5.5K at a motor worth considerably less does not appeal.

A few months ago went with a mate to look at a 1999 V plate on 105K, LPG converted and bills for an engine rebuild, eas all working and all in all a tidy P38. It was up for £3K so I'm guessing you could have got it for £2750. That has to be the way to go if the worst happens.

Looks like he was charged 3k in labor.
The LPG conversion wreck motors as they run hotter , not much of a savings! WSR has one and has 140k on petrol no probleems

Datatek · Nov 9, 2011

roddy4 said:
it's under the green oval,everything is expensive for parts,as the first time round they got it all wrong,so when you need a replacement,that is made propely you pay for it big time imo, will wait now for other commentsop2:

If you think LR parts are expensive, try Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Hyundai or Honda

fett · Nov 9, 2011

yeah but there genuine parts are good, not a hit and miss affair like lr parts

norseman · Nov 10, 2011

fett said:
yeah but there genuine parts are good, not a hit and miss affair like lr parts

I was discussing this very subject with my local indy yesterday, now that RRC parts are obsolete just where do LR scource their 'genuine parts'? I had one of these (a front screen-wash motor) fitted last year, no makers name on it anywhere & the bloody thing didn't work when it was connected up! Needless to say the item was returned under warranty & the replacement did work but these parts looked no different (& appear to be no better quality) than the stuff that falls out of BP boxes.

kooky_guy · Nov 10, 2011

Fur Trapper said:
Looks like he was charged 3k in labor.
The LPG conversion wreck motors as they run hotter , not much of a savings! WSR has one and has 140k on petrol no probleems

No it doesn't - they're just crap engines.

Mine has 140k on it, at least 80k of which has been on lpg - no problems. It's just luck of the draw with these.

Horse_Apple · Nov 10, 2011

I would hazard that a large part of the high costs by comparison to 20 years ago are down to a combination of much higher bureaucratic costs for businesses, higher taxes, more taxes, raw material costs have trippled/quadrupled, cost of labour has gone up etc etc.

Doing anything today is infinitely more complicated and costly than just 10 years ago.

hoarec · Nov 10, 2011

kooky_guy said:
No it doesn't - they're just crap engines.

Mine has 140k on it, at least 80k of which has been on lpg - no problems. It's just luck of the draw with these.

Mine is now on 165k & LPG since 60k I believe, I have done 50k in the last 2 years and the only major issue that I have had (so far) is I replaced the cylinder head gasket on one of the banks......about 8k ago......

fett · Nov 10, 2011

yeah but its the indians and chinese making our bits now, and they are how we were 50 years ago

its just greedy people at lr making a huge profit on it as middle men now

fortgrange · Nov 10, 2011

Sean said:
if you'd ever built an engine, properly, with quality parts, you'd know why they are so expensive

As stated rebuilt a granada 2.8 and at the time used genuine ford parts (if they can be counted as quality parts) and must have done it properly because it lasted until I sold it a few years later. Even allowing for inflation it was no where near my mates figure.

kooky_guy said:
No it doesn't - they're just crap engines.

Mine has 140k on it, at least 80k of which has been on lpg - no problems. It's just luck of the draw with these.

I think luck of the draw seems to be the biggest factor!!

Horse_Apple said:
I would hazard that a large part of the high costs by comparison to 20 years ago are down to a combination of much higher bureaucratic costs for businesses, higher taxes, more taxes, raw material costs have trippled/quadrupled, cost of labour has gone up etc etc.

Doing anything today is infinitely more complicated and costly than just 10 years ago.

This is also very true. I have run gas guzzlers since I past my test over 30 years ago and in all that time I think my present P38 has put more strain on my finances in the petrol department than any motor I've ever owned

Or maybe I'm just turning into a moany old git:blabla:

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