Bantam1
Well-Known Member
What about when we all move to E10 fuel. Apparently they have E85 in europe too. These old cars are going to need some sorting or special fuel.
Quite.
For me the TD5 is a tad more powerful, a lot more consumptive of fuel and a fu ck sight more complex when it comes to the electrickery. I have a 300tdi Anniversary and a TD5 GS. I trust the 300tdi FAR more than the TD5.
Henry_b
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Henry_b
Think outside, no box required.
High levels of Ethanol has been used in America for years without any issues in old Muscle cars and classics, it is the rubber fuel lines that deteriorate it doesn't melt the engine down!!
Biggest issue I can foresee is corrosion in Carbs if left standing for a long period..
Pulling the pump fuse and running the bowls dry would negate that issue.
discool
Well-Known Member
Its already in some brands of petrol now in the UK and there talk of it being increased, not a problem I already use Ethanol proof fuel hose and some the Millers stuff in the tank of my classic car.High levels of Ethanol has been used in America for years without any issues in old Muscle cars and classics, it is the rubber fuel lines that deteriorate it doesn't melt the engine down!!
Biggest issue I can foresee is corrosion in Carbs if left standing for a long period..
Pulling the pump fuse and running the bowls dry would negate that issue.
Fuel in float chamber's evaporates after a few months in my experience so no problem there either.
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Similar to what I do when overwintering my gardening equipment.High levels of Ethanol has been used in America for years without any issues in old Muscle cars and classics, it is the rubber fuel lines that deteriorate it doesn't melt the engine down!!
Biggest issue I can foresee is corrosion in Carbs if left standing for a long period..
Pulling the pump fuse and running the bowls dry would negate that issue.
Bantam1
Well-Known Member
Not fully on the case with this bioethanol replacement but I do understand that it takes on water and this produces acids that attack seals and pipes, fuel tanks, etc.High levels of Ethanol has been used in America for years without any issues in old Muscle cars and classics, it is the rubber fuel lines that deteriorate it doesn't melt the engine down!!
Biggest issue I can foresee is corrosion in Carbs if left standing for a long period..
Pulling the pump fuse and running the bowls dry would negate that issue.
Its going to take some time but is a very real issue. Its probably not the E10 but the higher percentages that will become the problem.
You don't have to worry about it just yet. They will keep on selling the stuff we can use for a while yet. Gives us time to sort somethin out.
mpescatori
Member
Well, I finally went to see the gold/sand coloured TD5...
Geez, I will not say I was disappointed but they should have looked after the car before listing it.
Very nice on the outside, no visible rust in the mud traps, no rust under the carpets BUT the armrest is very worn and there is something not quite right with the gear lever(s):
The gear lever proper looks ok and the gears will shift when I press the clutch BUT the high/low range lever was stuck in high, as if nobody had ever touched it since it was first registered in 2000.
It makes me think they probably never even changed the oil, there must be black marmite in that 'box, if there's anything at all!
No water in the coolant reservoir.
Engine oil ok.
The seats looked clean but...really, I wouldn't want to sit on them just yet...
Grey cloth, looked just like my old Tata Safari 3.0, exaclty the same pattern!
Tyres from 2014...
My gut feeling is this car should be loaded on a flatbed and taken to a proper mechanic, where it should be superserviced...
- engine oil
- gearbox oil + high-low range oil
- central diff + both axles
- flush engine and renew cooland
- renew brake fluid and clutch master/slave hydraulics
- renew steering pump&servo fluid
- 5 new tyres...
- new coolant hoses and new fan/alternator/air conditioner belts
Oh, and did I mention the pneumatic suspension was scrapped (inclouding the compressor!) for traditional hydraulic dampers?
At this point, "NO MOT" is hardly a problem...!
Really, this car is worth no more than €2000!
My son says "leave it, forget it!" and I still have to plan a weekend away with the Missus to go and see the Oldtimer V8...
...but I don't want to scrap the idea just yet... she's been sitting in the forecourt for three years, I'm sure she'll still be there in september!
Did I just say "she"? Hmmm...
Geez, I will not say I was disappointed but they should have looked after the car before listing it.
Very nice on the outside, no visible rust in the mud traps, no rust under the carpets BUT the armrest is very worn and there is something not quite right with the gear lever(s):
The gear lever proper looks ok and the gears will shift when I press the clutch BUT the high/low range lever was stuck in high, as if nobody had ever touched it since it was first registered in 2000.
It makes me think they probably never even changed the oil, there must be black marmite in that 'box, if there's anything at all!
No water in the coolant reservoir.
Engine oil ok.
The seats looked clean but...really, I wouldn't want to sit on them just yet...
Grey cloth, looked just like my old Tata Safari 3.0, exaclty the same pattern!
Tyres from 2014...
My gut feeling is this car should be loaded on a flatbed and taken to a proper mechanic, where it should be superserviced...
- engine oil
- gearbox oil + high-low range oil
- central diff + both axles
- flush engine and renew cooland
- renew brake fluid and clutch master/slave hydraulics
- renew steering pump&servo fluid
- 5 new tyres...
- new coolant hoses and new fan/alternator/air conditioner belts
Oh, and did I mention the pneumatic suspension was scrapped (inclouding the compressor!) for traditional hydraulic dampers?
At this point, "NO MOT" is hardly a problem...!
Really, this car is worth no more than €2000!
My son says "leave it, forget it!" and I still have to plan a weekend away with the Missus to go and see the Oldtimer V8...
...but I don't want to scrap the idea just yet... she's been sitting in the forecourt for three years, I'm sure she'll still be there in september!
Did I just say "she"? Hmmm...
Well, I finally went to see the gold/sand coloured TD5...
Geez, I will not say I was disappointed but they should have looked after the car before listing it.
Very nice on the outside, no visible rust in the mud traps, no rust under the carpets BUT the armrest is very worn and there is something not quite right with the gear lever(s):
The gear lever proper looks ok and the gears will shift when I press the clutch BUT the high/low range lever was stuck in high, as if nobody had ever touched it since it was first registered in 2000.
It makes me think they probably never even changed the oil, there must be black marmite in that 'box, if there's anything at all!
No water in the coolant reservoir.
Engine oil ok.
The seats looked clean but...really, I wouldn't want to sit on them just yet...
Grey cloth, looked just like my old Tata Safari 3.0, exaclty the same pattern!
Tyres from 2014...
My gut feeling is this car should be loaded on a flatbed and taken to a proper mechanic, where it should be superserviced...
- engine oil
- gearbox oil + high-low range oil
- central diff + both axles
- flush engine and renew cooland
- renew brake fluid and clutch master/slave hydraulics
- renew steering pump&servo fluid
- 5 new tyres...
- new coolant hoses and new fan/alternator/air conditioner belts
Oh, and did I mention the pneumatic suspension was scrapped (inclouding the compressor!) for traditional hydraulic dampers?
At this point, "NO MOT" is hardly a problem...!
Really, this car is worth no more than €2000!
My son says "leave it, forget it!" and I still have to plan a weekend away with the Missus to go and see the Oldtimer V8...
...but I don't want to scrap the idea just yet... she's been sitting in the forecourt for three years, I'm sure she'll still be there in september!
Did I just say "she"? Hmmm...
The no coolant would be my biggest concern.
mpescatori
Member
I agree.
Poor maintenance or head gasket failure?
Poor maintenance or head gasket failure?
Both probably! if not both then one could quickly lead to tother. Walk away, René!
MJI
Well-Known Member
Or radiator, mine has a small leak.
berg450
Well-Known Member
My first td5 automatic also had this issue (even it was owned by a LR mechanic). The HI-LOW lever was never used so the cable inside "dried" and did not move. I gave it to a hard push (used my legs finally
) and it slowly started to move, after a few more push-pull it become OK again. So the issue probably is not the oil in the transfer box only the lack of use and old grease in the cable.Yes, that can be the real problem.
Marmaduke
Well-Known Member
Well, I finally went to see the gold/sand coloured TD5...
Geez, I will not say I was disappointed but they should have looked after the car before listing it.
Very nice on the outside, no visible rust in the mud traps, no rust under the carpets BUT the armrest is very worn and there is something not quite right with the gear lever(s):
The gear lever proper looks ok and the gears will shift when I press the clutch BUT the high/low range lever was stuck in high, as if nobody had ever touched it since it was first registered in 2000.
It makes me think they probably never even changed the oil, there must be black marmite in that 'box, if there's anything at all!
No water in the coolant reservoir.
Engine oil ok.
The seats looked clean but...really, I wouldn't want to sit on them just yet...
Grey cloth, looked just like my old Tata Safari 3.0, exaclty the same pattern!
Tyres from 2014...
My gut feeling is this car should be loaded on a flatbed and taken to a proper mechanic, where it should be superserviced...
- engine oil
- gearbox oil + high-low range oil
- central diff + both axles
- flush engine and renew cooland
- renew brake fluid and clutch master/slave hydraulics
- renew steering pump&servo fluid
- 5 new tyres...
- new coolant hoses and new fan/alternator/air conditioner belts
Oh, and did I mention the pneumatic suspension was scrapped (inclouding the compressor!) for traditional hydraulic dampers?
At this point, "NO MOT" is hardly a problem...!
Really, this car is worth no more than €2000!
My son says "leave it, forget it!" and I still have to plan a weekend away with the Missus to go and see the Oldtimer V8...
...but I don't want to scrap the idea just yet... she's been sitting in the forecourt for three years, I'm sure she'll still be there in september!
Did I just say "she"? Hmmm...
Drive to the UK and take this on a road trip home
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373137194758
You know you want to
frostythor
Well-Known Member
well having read every post, about the 2 cars your looking at it would seem you will need deep pockets, for either of them, I do think Marmaduke, had a very good post, good condition nice engine size a good compromise
Europa486
Well-Known Member
You are missing the point, ethanol absorbs a large amounts of water So when the fuel evaporate it leaves behind water to cause corrosion ,
Also ethanol eats cork like a knife through butter so some older cars with cork gasket in the fuel system will suffer,
discool
Well-Known Member
No i’m not, as i stated in aware of the increased of ethanol in petrol, and as also stated “not a problem” because now i’ve taken some simple precautions.
So lucky then there was no cork gaskets fitted in the fuel system, when the car it was manufactured 44 years ago.
mpescatori
Member
Deep breath...
OK, I decided to ditch both candidates.
Setting aside all the "ordinary" TD5 Disco2s in my own area, I have found two interesting candidates:
- a D2facelift, TD5 with 'auto box, ~60.000 miles, leather etc., looks new;
- pre-facelift D2, 3950cc (4.0L) V8 petrol with EFI and 'auto box, 95thou miles.
Both are equally interesting.
€7900 or £7500
€9900 or £9000
The TD5 is a well known engine, easily tuneable to 160+bhp, and this one has really very few miles on it.
The V8 has a bit more miles but was clearly a weekend-only rich man's toy - not a commuter, no LPG on it.
The TD5 would mean trouble driving in and around the city and would be not as quick on the motorway (but, really, 70-75mph is my typical cruising speed, anyway) but could allow for more economical long range touring (maybe)
The petrol V8 would allow me to fit an LPG kit and drive around the city trouble free BUT would probably be a very thirsty car anytime low gears are engaged... although when touring N.Africa, Turkey, the Caucasus and Scandinavia I would probably find petrol more easily than diesel!
PS I will spare you my sleepless nights pondering over a 4.4 litre TD V8 Range Rover...
OK, I decided to ditch both candidates.
Setting aside all the "ordinary" TD5 Disco2s in my own area, I have found two interesting candidates:
- a D2facelift, TD5 with 'auto box, ~60.000 miles, leather etc., looks new;
- pre-facelift D2, 3950cc (4.0L) V8 petrol with EFI and 'auto box, 95thou miles.
Both are equally interesting.
The TD5 is a well known engine, easily tuneable to 160+bhp, and this one has really very few miles on it.
The V8 has a bit more miles but was clearly a weekend-only rich man's toy - not a commuter, no LPG on it.
The TD5 would mean trouble driving in and around the city and would be not as quick on the motorway (but, really, 70-75mph is my typical cruising speed, anyway) but could allow for more economical long range touring (maybe)
The petrol V8 would allow me to fit an LPG kit and drive around the city trouble free BUT would probably be a very thirsty car anytime low gears are engaged... although when touring N.Africa, Turkey, the Caucasus and Scandinavia I would probably find petrol more easily than diesel!
PS I will spare you my sleepless nights pondering over a 4.4 litre TD V8 Range Rover...
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