Quick update, took the landy up the mountains and proper off road today, its been very wet recently and I must say I was very impressed with them, there was no drama at all in fact I don't think a single wheel slipped once, they have gave me more confidence and I would seriously recommend them in those conditions, on the road they are great also and seem as good as my old BFGs for road manners and not at all noisy either, I do run a V8 with janspeed exhaust though so maybe couldn't hear them over the engine. Overall great tires for the money.