I'd agree Kermit. Although it is at the risk of sounding jealous.

The L405 is really growing on me, I love the back of it, not madly keen on the front still and I do like the inside but there's something about the L322 interior that is more homely(?). The L405 is a very modern looking car where the L322 seems to have aged quite nicely now, doesn't look new and doesn't look old either.

Also, if (and it would be a big IF!) my car was worth £12k and that was my budget, I could have a really spot on L322 or the ropiest L405 at that price point I expect. The L405 would surely end in tears!

All of them sounds like good advice!! I had a Velara as a loan car when my 08 Vogue was hit by a bus. It was truly the most awful car I've driven. There was nothing about it I iked. I couldn't get mey hand between the seats to do up my seat belt, the auto-lane control thingy was a nightmare, it doesn't suit my style of driving. I tend to use lane 1 on motorways exept when overtaking. So pulling across fro lane 1 to lane 3 to get past a Centre Lane Owners Club member meant that as I went diagnally across the road the brake would jam on as it thought i was going to crash into the CLOCy. The touch screen was far too distracting, if I want to play computer games I'll do so at home, not when I'm driving a car. Even a simple thing like adjusting the heater meant my attention was taken of the road while trying to see what as on the screen. I was glad when that went back to the hire company and I got my Vogue back.

How much doe the proper diagnostics box cost, and where from?

Sadly I don't have £17k to get a dealer car, so have to go for something around 36-7k with about 135000 on the clock. i'm off to look at one in Essex tomorrow. It's got the 4.4 engine etc. I've lost fith in the used car dealer I got the present car from.

I don't know if DAB was standard on the 10 reg car I've got at the moment as the radio doesn't work! I don't like the adverts, but the BBC is not my first choice of radio these days.

BTW, my partner's Disco 4 van has been ok, apart from initial steering/tracking problems, turbo change and timing belt done, no other problems yet. That's just on 120,000 miles. It's got the 268bhp engine and is quite whizzy.

roythebus said:

...pulling across fro lane 1 to lane 3 to get past a Centre Lane Owners Club member meant that as I went diagnally across the road the brake would jam on as it thought i was going to crash...

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It wouldn't, if you'd have used the indicators and had stayed at a 'generally considered' safe distance from the vehicle you were overtaking.

I did and did, it still braked! It's a right pain. horrible car.

In the tens of thousands of miles I've driven in Velar's, I've never experienced the behaviour you describe.

I quite like them as a runabout TBH

The dieseased variants are all adblue? Something else to cause problems and break?

They're EU6 so yes, all diesel engined versions will have SCR ('adBlue') The only problems I've seen have been the pump modules failing due to defective pressure sensors. It'd be nice to bash JLR but seeing as they're made by Continental (as are the systems used by M-B, VWG, Volvo etc.) and the JLR implementations can have the pump module replaced rather than the whole assembly as in most other cases... probably best not to point any fingers at JLR for an EU-mandated emissions control exercise in futility.

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They're EU6 so yes, all diesel engined versions will have SCR ('adBlue') The only problems I've seen have been the pump modules failing due to defective pressure sensors. It'd be nice to bash JLR but seeing as they're made by Continental (as are the systems used by M-B, VWG, Volvo etc.) and the JLR implementations can have the pump module replaced rather than the whole assembly as in most other cases... probably best not to point any fingers at JLR for an EU-mandated emissions control exercise in futility.

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Yes I'm not knocking jlr as such, i think pretty much every engine built today is over engineered past the point of reliability with parts designed to fail a week after the warranty period. I don't think EV will be any different just different parts that start to fail