DarthDude · Nov 20, 2020

kermit_rr said:
It does seem odd, unless a spring broke

I think the M51 could also have problems with the timing chain tensioner- or at least I hearsay it can, but if that had happened it wouldn't have been just the one piston hitting the one valve- or two valves as the case may be.

Would it?

Enthusiastman · Nov 20, 2020

DarthDude said:
Did you ever work out why the piston hit the valve?

No buddy and TBH i don't really care now as its the selling dealers problem now as he is refunding me in full plus hopefully some compo on top ( His decision not mine ) All i know is the engine is toasted and needs a full rebuild or replacement and again i ain't bothered anymore.
There could have been many issues which caused it but i suppose we will never really for sure know.

domino · Nov 20, 2020

Not being funny.. But I'd want to know.

Going to a dealer doesn't mean you're getting a decent car. Sure, you might stand a better chance of getting your money back but then you're back to square one. Again.

It does feel like you're searching for a unicorn in a field of horses. If nothing else, this purchase has shown you that mileage, history, dealer (or not) is absolutely no guarantee that you'll get a good specimen that will give you minimal hassle.

Who's to say the next one won't have a similar issue (if diseasel) or the petrol variant you go for doesn't have another undiagnosed problem that makes it go pop within a few weeks?

P38 ownership really isn't about ignorance, you have to go in balls deep and know these arseholes inside out. Once you do, spotting the problems is a lot easier and therefore, the remedies are easier.

I still learn things when I start fiddling with it be it asking questions on here or from actually doing the spannering. Can't help but think while you have a decent budget to spend, you're still going to find disappointment somewhere along the line that could have been avoided if, perhaps, you went for something that at first appeared 'less' desirable.

kermit_rr · Nov 20, 2020

domino said:
P38 ownership really isn't about ignorance, you have to go in balls deep and know these arseholes inside out. Once you do, spotting the problems is a lot easier and therefore, the remedies are easier.

This

frog hopper · Nov 20, 2020

tomcat59alan said:
Better get the hammer out on that front wing

That mate is an "Honourable Battle Scar"

kermit_rr said:
Trattors definitely do have character

Mine seems to have a bit more character than is strictly neccessary, noisy, draughty, handles like a drunken pig on roller skates, etc, etc.
Oh hang on it's a 90, they're all like that.

DarthDude · Nov 21, 2020

domino said:
..... you have to go in balls deep and know these arseholes inside out. Once you do, spotting the problems is a lot easier and therefore, the remedies are easier.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yes- it is important to know what lies behind the arsehole.

Still..... a single piston hitting its valve(s) is a new one on me, and I'd have loved to know how it came about, but as we're destined not to find out all I'll say is I hope your refund goes smoothly and that you find yourself an example much more worthy of your care and attention (of which there will be much!) going forward, whether it be a 4.0, 4.6 or 2.5!

Grrrrrr · Nov 21, 2020

DarthDude said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yes- it is important to know what lies behind the arsehole.

Still..... a single piston hitting its valve(s) is a new one on me, and I'd have loved to know how it came about, but as we're destined not to find out all I'll say is I hope your refund goes smoothly and that you find yourself an example much more worthy of your care and attention (of which there will be much!) going forward, whether it be a 4.0, 4.6 or 2.5!

Same here. First one we've had on here that I can recall. @wammers might have seen one and remember the cause?

Chain tensioner not an issue on M51. Chain stretch can be but usually they're OK till 200k according to Dopey's Polish guru, although you might need a hotfix earlier, especially on early models.

tomcat59alan · Nov 21, 2020

kermit_rr said:
It does seem odd, unless a spring broke

Yes you'd have thought more than one cylinder would have been affected if the cam chain had jumped a tooth.

RangeRoller dt · Nov 21, 2020

Jumped a cog would be likely, considering the low mileage (if accurate) more likely was put together wrong.
You got unlucky there @Enthusiastman they are usually pretty bullet proof, always wary of Turner

tomcat59alan · Nov 21, 2020

RangeRoller dt said:
Jumped a cog would be likely, considering the low mileage (if accurate) more likely was put together wrong.
You got unlucky there @Enthusiastman they are usually pretty bullet proof, always wary of Turner

But he got VERY lucky getting a full refund plus some extra. That dealer needs to be named,

we're usually quick to ask to name and shame. He deserves a pat on the back, who could have foreseen the problem given the history.

RangeRoller dt · Nov 21, 2020

RangeRoller dt said:
Watch how many people turn up here with major engine problems, adamant it must be something else as they have a stack of Turner receipts. Won’t take long. Think Doos was one of them, neeed new engine in end.

^^^

kermit_rr · Nov 21, 2020

Need to see if i can get booked in for MOT

DarthDude · Nov 21, 2020

Grrrrrr said:
Same here. First one we've had on here that I can recall. @wammers might have seen one and remember the cause?

Chain tensioner not an issue on M51. Chain stretch can be but usually they're OK till 200k according to Dopey's Polish guru, although you might need a hotfix earlier, especially on early models.

Ah yes... that was it- chain stretch, not tensioner.

Enthusiastman · Nov 21, 2020

domino said:
Not being funny.. But I'd want to know.

Going to a dealer doesn't mean you're getting a decent car. Sure, you might stand a better chance of getting your money back but then you're back to square one. Again.

It does feel like you're searching for a unicorn in a field of horses. If nothing else, this purchase has shown you that mileage, history, dealer (or not) is absolutely no guarantee that you'll get a good specimen that will give you minimal hassle.

Who's to say the next one won't have a similar issue (if diseasel) or the petrol variant you go for doesn't have another undiagnosed problem that makes it go pop within a few weeks?

P38 ownership really isn't about ignorance, you have to go in balls deep and know these arseholes inside out. Once you do, spotting the problems is a lot easier and therefore, the remedies are easier.

I still learn things when I start fiddling with it be it asking questions on here or from actually doing the spannering. Can't help but think while you have a decent budget to spend, you're still going to find disappointment somewhere along the line that could have been avoided if, perhaps, you went for something that at first appeared 'less' desirable.

Like is said before, It aint my problem anymore so i don't give a flying f**k now what, where or how it caused it. As long as he gives me my monies back which he is doing then thats all i care about for now. It will be my choice entirely if i decide to buy another or not.
Not being funny myself either but once its all sorted i will give you the dealers name etc and if it bothers you that much to want to know then you can go and see him and satisfy your curiosity buddy that way.

Cheers

Enthusiastman · Nov 21, 2020

DarthDude said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yes- it is important to know what lies behind the arsehole.

Still..... a single piston hitting its valve(s) is a new one on me, and I'd have loved to know how it came about, but as we're destined not to find out all I'll say is I hope your refund goes smoothly and that you find yourself an example much more worthy of your care and attention (of which there will be much!) going forward, whether it be a 4.0, 4.6 or 2.5!

Cheers buddy. Appreciated comment is that.

Enthusiastman · Nov 21, 2020

Grrrrrr said:
Same here. First one we've had on here that I can recall. @wammers might have seen one and remember the cause?

Chain tensioner not an issue on M51. Chain stretch can be but usually they're OK till 200k according to Dopey's Polish guru, although you might need a hotfix earlier, especially on early models.

Thanks mate.

Enthusiastman · Nov 21, 2020

RangeRoller dt said:
Jumped a cog would be likely, considering the low mileage (if accurate) more likely was put together wrong.
You got unlucky there @Enthusiastman they are usually pretty bullet proof, always wary of Turner

Indeed yes buddy. Maybe it was cursed after it had the famous Turner's re-map done by the previous owner. I don't know and again TBH i don't care anymore as its going and my monies is being refunded.

One thing i will never do is buy a scruffy looking P38 no matter how good its been maintained. The sub 6k cars are just NOT for me i have to say. We all have differing budgets in life too.

Enthusiastman · Nov 21, 2020

tomcat59alan said:
But he got VERY lucky getting a full refund plus some extra. That dealer needs to be named, we're usually quick to ask to name and shame. He deserves a pat on the back, who could have foreseen the problem given the history.

Once its all completed i will say who and where he is albeit after changing his tune these last few days towards me in a positive way then he does deserve some credit albeit i still think deep down he knew it was about to let go BUT not as quickly as it did. I think he was praying for 3 months of grace of which then i would have had no re-course at all with him but 1 week and less than 100 miles i did.

domino · Nov 21, 2020

*shrugs*

Ignorance will always lead to problems. Good luck.

backinblack · Nov 21, 2020

Enthusiastman said:
Once its all completed i will say who and where he is albeit after changing his tune these last few days towards me in a positive way then he does deserve some credit albeit i still think deep down he knew it was about to let go BUT not as quickly as it did. I think he was praying for 3 months of grace of which then i would have had no re-course at all with him but 1 week and less than 100 miles i did.

Serves him right for not putting a warranty on it.

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