alfaitalia
New Member
Sorry i make not much differentiation between being robbed legally or illegally. I just see ROBBED. The reason they do it legally is that they make the laws that say it's legal. At least the muggers and shoplifters admit they're crooks.
v8hotrodboy
Active Member
Hi this wasnt directed at you personaly, but i can see it looks that way. It was meant as a general statement about peoples personal taste. Ie keeping them nice and shiny or covered in mud. What ever floats peoples boats is fine by me but do we all need to know?
MikeV8SE
New Member
That's as bad a generalisation as whoever bought up crap cars being parked outside council houses!! :doh: Not everyone in a big house is a crook - some just work damn hard and get paid accordingly. They also get taxed accordingly - 50% on a decent whack of it! Not to mention inheritance tax when they eventually snuff it - disgraceful, taxing the dead.
And I see this from all sides of the fence - working class background, trained Accountant and was a Tax Advisor for a short while, now out of that industry but have a nice enough house, etc etc. I just don't get the view that the rich/successful (and I don't class myself as being in that sector!) should be punished for doing well for themselves, very odd
Datatek
Well-Known Member
That's as bad a generalisation as whoever bought up crap cars being parked outside council houses!! :doh: Not everyone in a big house is a crook - some just work damn hard and get paid accordingly. They also get taxed accordingly - 50% on a decent whack of it! Not to mention inheritance tax when they eventually snuff it - disgraceful, taxing the dead.
And I see this from all sides of the fence - working class background, trained Accountant and was a Tax Advisor for a short while, now out of that industry but have a nice enough house, etc etc. I just don't get the view that the rich/successful (and I don't class myself as being in that sector!) should be punished for doing well for themselves, very odd
Well said
That's as bad a generalisation as whoever bought up crap cars being parked outside council houses!! :doh: Not everyone in a big house is a crook - some just work damn hard and get paid accordingly. They also get taxed accordingly - 50% on a decent whack of it! Not to mention inheritance tax when they eventually snuff it - disgraceful, taxing the dead.
And I see this from all sides of the fence - working class background, trained Accountant and was a Tax Advisor for a short while, now out of that industry but have a nice enough house, etc etc. I just don't get the view that the rich/successful (and I don't class myself as being in that sector!) should be punished for doing well for themselves, very odd
And why would you think i was talking about you. You like me are a very small fish in a very big sea. Try looking at people who fill hundreds of oil tankers with crude or petrol and have them floating around creating a shortage until the price goes up then sell it. Try looking at people like the Vesti family who own Fray Bentos and were congratulated by a government minister for good accountancy because they paid £250.00 tax on £300,000,000.00 turn over. Big international corporate industry are the robbers not small timers like us. We have just had the MPs expenses scandle, how many council house living muggers or shop lifters do you know who would be let off scot free if the returned the hand bag or goods they took? 75% of MPs should now be in jail, if the same principal of law had been applied to them as it is applied to all other criminals. Which is more criminal, a shoplifter taking a T shirt or an PM claiming £20,000.00 he is not entitled to? But he/she paid it back so it's ok, no action required. I would expect that the PM does not live in a council house either.
Datatek
Well-Known Member
MP's support robber banks and corporations cos they think there is summat in it for them, but muggers and petty crims mostly get off scot free as the police can't be bothered and the holiday camps that they like to call prisions are full.
There is, as there has always been, 3 or 4 distinct classes of people in the UK, the Ruling class:- Politicians, Civil Servants, corporate robbers. Serfs:- thats those that work for a living and generate the cash for others to squander. The parasitic class who live off the back of the Serfs.
MP's support robber banks and corporations cos they think there is summat in it for them, but muggers and petty crims mostly get off scot free as the police can't be bothered and the holiday camps that they like to call prisions are full.
There is, as there has always been, 3 or 4 distinct classes of people in the UK, the Ruling class:- Politicians, Civil Servants, corporate robbers. Serfs:- thats those that work for a living and generate the cash for others to squander. The parasitic class who live off the back of the Serfs.
Yes i agree, but the idea that people who live in council houses are somehow not entitled to have a Range Rover parked outside and go out robbing everyday is ridiculous. Just as the idea that everyone who pays 50% tax and lives in a big house is an upstanding citizen, is also ridiculous. There are two up two down terraces with Bentleys, Ferraries, Mercs,
Range Rovers, Lamborginis Etc, parked outside them near me. Does anyone wonder where the people who live there get the money for those. I bet a lot of people who live on council estates do.
MikeV8SE
New Member
See, I would argue that's good tax planning! I see your point entirely, but at that level tax is a game - the Government put silly taxes in place, then Tax experts make schemes to get round them. So yes, they should be taxed on their earnings like everyone else, but if you were legally able to avoid it, wouldn't you?? I know if I could hold on to more of my earnings that I work hard for, thus keeping them out of the grubby paws of the many work-shy, terminal "job-seeking" scrotes that inhabit this country, I would!!
And anyway, the big corporations will have paid a small fortune to some tax planning experts to come up with the tax avoidance scheme - who in turn will have paid tax on their earnings anyway!
What's it they say - there's only two certainties in life: death and taxes!
plus all the wages paid by these companies out of Gross Profit (or they would go bust) will have had tax applied to it so they are not paying no tax just no direct corporation tax. I am involved with 5 businesses which all have different financial profiles some pay no tax others get hammered and if I could pay none at all I would be very happy and before I get put in a box I come out of a hard working class council estate on the east of scotland where as a lad unemployment was very high due to flooded pits and I decided not to be in that position so changed my life anyway that motor is still a crock
Ordinary people cannot avoid tax (PAYE). Yes evasion and avoidance one for the poor to use and the other for the rich. Sadly only one is legal. And as in most cases it's the rich version, that the poor people can't use.
Ordinary people cannot avoid tax (PAYE). Yes evasion and avoidance one for the poor to use and the other for the rich. Sadly only one is legal. And as in most cases it's the rich version, that the poor people can't use.
The whole system is unfair mainly because it involves people and unfortunately most people are greedy and selfish so as they get nearer the top of the **** pile most turn into magnificent ****s - sad but true
Hmrc are like a fat lazy and unwanted business partner- they fecking hate barter system but can't enforce it. Officially your helping a friend for free and he is helping you for free-really ****es them off.
Yes corruption starts at the top and works downwards. Unfortunatly the penalties for being caught, and the chances of being caught,
are increased as a square as you get lower in the pecking order.
Datatek
Well-Known Member
Ordinary people cannot avoid tax (PAYE). Yes evasion and avoidance one for the poor to use and the other for the rich. Sadly only one is legal. And as in most cases it's the rich version, that the poor people can't use.
Ordinary people can and do avoid tax (PAYE) by working on the black, it ain't legal but it's very common.
It was found many years ago that reducing taxes actually increased the governments tax income because lower taxes are less worth the trouble of avoidance.
Personally I would change the way politicians are paid. Seeing as they seem to support the bonus culture by doing nothing about it, I would pay them a salary equal to the average workers salary plus a bonus. The bonus being based on a combination of tax reduction and national debt reduction. Reduce one or the other, no bonus, reduce both get a bonus. Then watch the tax and debt come down.
Horse_Apple
Active Member
So if an old car that was once an expensive vehicle is on the drive way of a property on a council estate, the owner must be a criminal?
It seems a somewhat aggressive view that you wouldn't expect unless someone didn't realise the Daily Mail was a comic aimed at people not smart enough to understand The Beano or Woman's Own.
Plenty of people on estates own their own home, plenty who don't, work hard and just like anyone who works hard deserves some treats.
And let's face very honest facts here, a P38 is hardly much of a car. They can be bought for next to nothing and if you aren't doing high mileage then don't cost much to run, especially if you know how to fix the niggles or have a local mate who does.
Tobe honest, if more people bought cars they could afford instead of needing finance because they aren't man enough to park something in their price range on their driveway then this country would be a much better place to live. I'd have a pop at those total losers long before attempting to have a go at someone on a council estate with a knackered old banger on their drive way.
alfaitalia
New Member
So if an old car that was once an expensive vehicle is on the drive way of a property on a council estate, the owner must be a criminal?
It seems a somewhat aggressive view that you wouldn't expect unless someone didn't realise the Daily Mail was a comic aimed at people not smart enough to understand The Beano or Woman's Own.
Plenty of people on estates own their own home, plenty who don't, work hard and just like anyone who works hard deserves some treats.
And let's face very honest facts here, a P38 is hardly much of a car. They can be bought for next to nothing and if you aren't doing high mileage then don't cost much to run, especially if you know how to fix the niggles or have a local mate who does.
Tobe honest, if more people bought cars they could afford instead of needing finance because they aren't man enough to park something in their price range on their driveway then this country would be a much better place to live. I'd have a pop at those total losers long before attempting to have a go at someone on a council estate with a knackered old banger on their drive way.
Dont know why you have used my quote so far out of context!!! I did say that only a minority of people there are crims. And the original few quotes about council houses were obviously jokes but since you obviously have no sense of humour you might not understand. My mates wife is old bill and they dont spend so much time around the estates for the fun of it , ITS BECAUSE the population has a higher content of villians! Next time you car is vandalised bare that in mind!!!
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