really?
really?
GrumpyGel
Well-Known Member
To quote the words from an immortal poet Ms Twain... "That don't impress me much".
Great weekend here, so must just be grumpy and gobby.
People on here, myself included, have over the years had 'great advice' from 'leading repairers and workshops' in their region that has turned out to be absolute crap that has cost them £1,000s. You yourself, as MHM has pointed out, have had experience of a dealer you believe to be "spot on" doing exactly the wrong thing - and you're claiming it to be right. Just as you agree with the statement "If the viscose coupling has failed just replace because it will not drive the back wheels if it locks in place addmittedly it will be permanent four wheel drive but this should not break the transfer box".
So you believe a "leading repairer", a "spot on dealer" and a rubbish statement about VCUs - then gob off on here regurgitating spiel you've been told by 'someone'. Sure, you did a lot of right things when you bought your car, but if you believe that makes you gods gift to anything, you are mistaken. In fact, I believe we may have a new contender for arsehole of the week.
Scrub contender, make that favourite.
yes i agree you are a contender for ar.. le of the week i admire you admitting it, the dealer who was spot on was the onei purchased it from..full service..did vcu..2 new tyres had 8 cars off him so i have the right to say..spot on .if you knew first thing about freelanders you would know it runs in 2 wheel drive untill on mud or snow, secondly its an ird box ..thirdly you ar...le of the week running in 4 wheel drive at 50 mph will wreck ird...and back diff in less time than it will take you realise your a idiot...i retract that...you prop still dont realise it...you really are an idiot to say running in 4 wheel drive perm wont do any harm...what do you think all the fuss about vcu is about, always one idiot on every forum..and its ..YOU
from ..bell engineering ..now this company has glowing reports from this forum
If your Freelander feels "tight" or it appears the brakes are binding, especially when reversing on full lock, this means your existing VCU is past its servicable life and you should change it as soon as possible. A damaged VCU put massive strain on the rest of your transmission line, causing the IRD unit, rear diff and gearbox to wear at a hugely accelerated rate, and will cause a very costly failure of these parts. A VCU's servicable life span is usually no more than 70k miles, but it can be a lot less (we have seen cars with failures at 30k miles) depending on how the car has been driven.
before you nit pick i do know the ird gets called transfer box but in all the diagramns its an ird box
well if i win...least it makes me a winner even a fav good..cant see you being anyones fav..reckon your just born loser,
sooo what part of what ive said is...wrong
how about when the VCU fails in Mondo mode?
GrumpyGel
Well-Known Member
Absolutely, given peoples' experiences of Bells - their recon VCUs are very good - probably the best recon you can get.
Whether their commercial propaganda (sorry marketing) is as good, is very much open to debate.
This also contradicts your 'keep to service interval' beliefs, because in 1 thing Bells are right - VCUs do often fail before the 70K miles change LR recommend. How you check whether it will reach its normal servicable life, or indeed needs changing at that point is where the discussion and debate begins. Bells spout reverse on full lock and sence for tightness or the touch of a 'turnip test'. They also spouted about doing a bench test of the VCU. They 'lampoon' the OWUT because its not in their commercial interest - I have though discussed it with unbiased engineers and they agree the OWUT is a quick, easy and reliable enough test of the coupling.
As for your spot on dealer - it is an easy mistake, one that many tyre shops make as well - but new tyres should always go on the back on a Freelander - never the front - so they have compromised your car and you should swap then around. I hope they are an exact match for the rears as well - down to make/model - exact match.
I know perfectly well how the Freelander transmission operates (at least, as well as someone pointing to websites for explanations) - I learnt the hard way - and lots of people on this forum helped me at the time. I recognised my ignorance and learnt from it.
Whether their commercial propaganda (sorry marketing) is as good, is very much open to debate.
This also contradicts your 'keep to service interval' beliefs, because in 1 thing Bells are right - VCUs do often fail before the 70K miles change LR recommend. How you check whether it will reach its normal servicable life, or indeed needs changing at that point is where the discussion and debate begins. Bells spout reverse on full lock and sence for tightness or the touch of a 'turnip test'. They also spouted about doing a bench test of the VCU. They 'lampoon' the OWUT because its not in their commercial interest - I have though discussed it with unbiased engineers and they agree the OWUT is a quick, easy and reliable enough test of the coupling.
As for your spot on dealer - it is an easy mistake, one that many tyre shops make as well - but new tyres should always go on the back on a Freelander - never the front - so they have compromised your car and you should swap then around. I hope they are an exact match for the rears as well - down to make/model - exact match.
I know perfectly well how the Freelander transmission operates (at least, as well as someone pointing to websites for explanations) - I learnt the hard way - and lots of people on this forum helped me at the time. I recognised my ignorance and learnt from it.
With some of the wittering on this section, tossers does come to mind quite often. When i start to lecture you on web stuff and things feel free to lecture me on engineering. Until then STFU.
read what i said...regards tyres...it had already had new ones on the back....dealer correctly put new on front..the service history and pile of bills shows the rear tyres had put on for the mot 6 weeks earlier...mot mileage and cars mileage showed 124 miles...ive just checked paperwork..so no point swopping rears to front for 124 miles...correct
as a fully qualified design engineer / toolmaker...for 40y.. working from higher end component drawings ..ie as to i have to design the presstools, how many stages. multistages, dont have to rely on cnc m/cs as i can shape. mill, turn..screwcut, precision grind and bench fit haha..still got and use the sinebar and joey blocks if i need , dont need digital micros..and yea i do use cnc when needed which i prog...easy really all work on xyz axis...then i have the right to say..im an engineer , i point to web stuff to educate the foolish.
oh by the way ..do you now admit your wrong about running in 4 wheel drive perm
GrumpyGel
Well-Known Member
The reason I entered this thread was that you agreed to "If the viscose coupling has failed just replace because it will not drive the back wheels if it locks in place addmittedly it will be permanent four wheel drive but this should not break the transfer box". If future visitors to LZ see you agreeing with that statement - they run a huge risk of transmission failure.
You then go on to say (in effect) that this thread is "a load of crap" and that's because a "specialist" told you so. Many many times people come to LZ to fix problems caused by "specialists". When ever a post in the Freelander section references a "specialist" - it usually means someone who doesn't know what they are doing has caused a problem. I don't think this is any different. If anyone is saying 1 VCU test is better or worse than any other - but the OWUT is no good - then they are wrong. By definition they are saying that the VCU can be tested - and in that respect the OWUT is a quick & easy test (with no commercial outside influence) that this thread has lots of data on from which to compare results. So to enter it and call it crap is once again providing people with misinformation. As I say - I do agree with your commercially generated comment that VCUs can fail before their service interval - intervals you are telling people to rely upon - more misinformation.
Your comment about putting new tyres on the front, is also misleading to anyone who stumbles on this thread. The rears you said were 'new' - but without your later qualification that may have just been newer. New on the front with part worn on the back is a no-no.
So presumably we both know (roughly) how the Freelander's transmission works.
You then go on to say (in effect) that this thread is "a load of crap" and that's because a "specialist" told you so. Many many times people come to LZ to fix problems caused by "specialists". When ever a post in the Freelander section references a "specialist" - it usually means someone who doesn't know what they are doing has caused a problem. I don't think this is any different. If anyone is saying 1 VCU test is better or worse than any other - but the OWUT is no good - then they are wrong. By definition they are saying that the VCU can be tested - and in that respect the OWUT is a quick & easy test (with no commercial outside influence) that this thread has lots of data on from which to compare results. So to enter it and call it crap is once again providing people with misinformation. As I say - I do agree with your commercially generated comment that VCUs can fail before their service interval - intervals you are telling people to rely upon - more misinformation.
Your comment about putting new tyres on the front, is also misleading to anyone who stumbles on this thread. The rears you said were 'new' - but without your later qualification that may have just been newer. New on the front with part worn on the back is a no-no.
So presumably we both know (roughly) how the Freelander's transmission works.
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
If I wasn't an engineer I'd begin to suspect all engineers are bloated egotistical cockwombles....
Then again maybe they all are
Then again maybe they all are
If I wasn't an engineer I'd begin to suspect all engineers are bloated egotistical cockwombles....
Then again maybe they all are
It is the failure of some on this section to understand why two IRD units with different input and output ratios have different gears in them that beats me.
GrumpyGel
Well-Known Member
For a guy that knows quite a bit, you sure do talk a lot of rubbish. Is this post going to get you all rattles and prams as well?No need for popcorn i have explained it all once i do not intend to do it again.
