bluedog333
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Makes sense! I think the OP is getting confused, bit worrying as he’s said he knows his weights!
jai_landrover
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Right thanks for your reply so no one can point me to the legislation moreover my b+e is not restricted to 3500kg. Train weight is everthing. A 110 is from memory 6800kg. If the vehicle is not loaded to its max the trailer can take the vehicles weight , 5900-1750 =4150 so 4150 for the trailer and load max on a 90 not a 110 . A 110 can take a lot more. Anyway thanks for the reply I have asked vosa about this coupled brakes thing if it law ect , I just thought I would ask on here cause its Easter weekend and I won't get a reply till next week.
Thanks
jai_landrover
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My old Man had a setup on his 109 which he took off. Sold at Newbury some years ago. Was a lever from the column that could independently turn on the trailer brakes. Now days it would require to comply with regulations probably mirroring HGV regulations and if that was the case then possibly inspections etc.
Best to ask VOSA direct and carry any email or correspondence you can with you because you will get pulled
Best to ask VOSA direct and carry any email or correspondence you can with you because you will get pulled
bluedog333
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I’ve (naughtily) had about 4t of industrial pallet racking on + the trailer which was over 1t. Wouldn’t want to do it too often in the old girl! Pulling away was a low-range affair, stopping needed to be booked in advance!
bluedog333
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A 110 is only plated and rated to tow 3500kg, 4000kg if it gets replated after a coupled brakes conversion. End of. Forget what the legislation says, this is all the vehicle is permitted to tow.
jai_landrover
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Can you imagine a 1:1003 transfer box 3.54 diffs and 255-85-16 tyres. Low range was used a fair bit through towns. Was in between transfer box and diff swaps
reckon those panels were about 75-100kgs each and that was only half of them... was a nice drive home from London..... when I turned up on my own to collect the guy was like oh you won’t load them on your own! Watch me!!
B+E is restricted to a vehicle upto 3500kg with any size trailer.
You are restricted by the plate limit of the vehicle, not your licence
Yes thanks I know all the young guys seem to think it's 3500kg max , for them it is. I was just wondering about these coupled brakes , do you know if that's a legal requirement because I can't find it anywhere in the legislation.
many years ago...as Corrie has stated...the limit for driving in normal conditions was just over 8000kg.
However - it would be very difficult these days to find a vehicle that would be classed as a car and having the plated towing capacity to get any where near that figure. As most have indicated the 5900kg limit of the 90 or 110 is about as high as you can now go.
Even if you can find such a vehicle, you then have the problem of the trailer - it is very unusual to find one plated above 3500kg
Assuming you can adapt a farm trailer or such to be towed by a landy you then have the issue of the rating of the tow bar - again most are not rated above 3500kg.
If you can over come that aspect, then there is the small issue of the permitted nose weight as rate by the tow bar - usually 100-150kg.
So, yes it is possible to legally tow around the 8000kg mark on an old-style licence - just damn hard to put together a legal rig for doing so.
The C1 aspect if the licence means it would be a lot easier to use a heavier vehicle to start with - not a LR90
The aspect of coupled brakes is probably to be found in the trailer regs rather than towing, car, or licence legislation.
Most of what you read about coupled brakes seems to come from USA. I have read about some folks in UK getting the vehicle re-plated to allow a max trailer weight of 4000kg instead of 3500kg but it sounds like a lot of faff for a few hundred kg, not to mention the standard tow ball is only good 3500.
Over 3500 and your trailer must have air brakes. If i needed that I'd get something more suitable to tow with
Over 3500 and your trailer must have air brakes. If i needed that I'd get something more suitable to tow with
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Towing in the US is completely different. The 5th wheel set ups on a pick up are common over there, and they tend to have coupled brakes as part of the 5th wheel conversion. And they are allowed to tow quite large weights, but subject to a maximum speed limit in many States.
Quite so, i think they also have electric (trailer) brakes too, for smaller vehicles that aren't born with air
Ian M in France
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Train weight is total weight of trailer and car/ van / 4x4 so trailer is 3.5 ton and 90 full can be 2.4 ton making a total of 5.9 ton you can get a 5 wheel system where some of the weight of the trailer is on the back of a towing pick-up I think they can go up to about 4.3 tons I have seen things listed as towing weight 3.6 tons but think is uses 100 kg on the tow hitch leaving 3.5 tons on trailer wheels
Ian M in France
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it does not work like that you can not have more than 3.5 tons on the wheels of the trailer it is that simple
So this is incorrect aswell
Hicap phill
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The rule for 8250kgs is/was a 7.5tonner with a 750kgs trailer
Ian M in France
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it says vehicle and trailer gross weight but max for trailer is 3500 kg why does Ifor Williams and all the other trailer makers stop at 3500kg ?I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here
Turboman
Mab An Gov
If the trailer is plated at 3500 kg, that is all the total weight of trailer and load should be.
