Nodge68
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I run my tyres at 31 Psi and check them weekly. All tyres must be the same make, type and size, or the transmission takes a pounding
GrumpyGel
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We like to moan about our cars, but check out our Govt reliability stats for Toyota 2005...
Then compare to Freelander 2005...
I agree with that statement, but don't think you've got the best all round engine in the range. Make sure this kids aren't looking at the screen, here's some porn...
If they are ALL at 14psi, I'm not 1 to say the pressure is wrong just by looking at the number - mine run at 40psi because that's what my GT Radial Maxmilers are designed to run at (and I love going to the dentist!). However, I would say they are probably way off being what they should be. I believe all the standard tyre fittings on Freelander were specified in the range 30-32psi - so check with the tyre manufacturer.
Joe_H
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The best all round engine is the L series turbo diesel. Unfortunately when BMW acquired LR they fitted the awful TD4
instead of the beautiful and luxurious, and ultra reliable Rover L series. (yours is the nasty BMW engine - Best Mended Weekly). I think they had a stock of the things they couldn't shift.Owning a freelander is great providing you have a good sense of humour and deep pockets / and or good mechanical skills.
BMW have the same philosophy with the TD4 engine as Sony have with the Playstation. Build it cheaply, take a loss on the main unit and make the profit by selling all the necessary bits to keep it working.
If you don;t know much about Land Rovers and 4WD AWD etc, you certainly will in a short time.....................
Enjoy.... every day it actually starts is another day to enjoy.
edit - I see GG got there first - I didn't read the second page before I replied.. but absolutely yes. A rock analysis would be that the L series is Eric Clapton, the TD4 is, errrrrr... Gary Glitter (likes a bit of fondling now and again and sometimes pays a hell lot for it - even VERY low mileage fondling......)
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Joe_H
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Joe_H
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You have me confused here Nodge (not unusual lol
) - were all the O M T units not PG1 ? I think you can get an end plate for a KV6 to fit a PG1, but not for an L to fit a KV6 auto .... (hence the KV6 box wouldn't fit that plate ?)
I remember a conversation we had some time back re the possibility of fitting an auto to an L series and deduced nothing was available to mate them.
(long day though
)
Nodge68
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You have me confused here Nodge (not unusual lol
I think you can get an end plate for a KV6 to fit a PG1, but not for an L to fit a KV6 auto .... (hence the KV6 box wouldn't fit that plate ?)
I remember a conversation we had some time back re the possibility of fitting an auto to an L series and deduced nothing was available to mate them.
(long day though
Yes. O,M,T and KV6 all use the PG1 box. However when the K series was released, PTP ((Power Train Products (Rover's design and manufacturing department)), used a different bell pattern. So there are 2 bell patterns for the PG1 box. This only effects the bell half of the casing, not the gear case side, all of which are the same.
The upshot of this is, when the Freelander was developed, the K series bell was used, with additional lugs to carry the IRD. As far as I can tell, presumably to avoid making 2 IRD bell castings, PTP fitted a different K series pattern end plate to the L series engine.
GrumpyGel
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Should say... every day it starts and not in limp mode, or idling erratically, or cutting out, and actually started without having to clear the cylinders of diesel first... then its a day to enjoy!
We jest, us L Series fellows are really funny arn't we! (dodging hurling pies)
Mine's a '99 and I've had it for 5 or 6 years. In that time the leak back pipes perished (£5 for some hose) and the ABS modulator packed a sad. Other than servicing and some bulbs that's it - boringly reliable. I shouldn't say this, but not even a drop link or a window motor's gone (although the drivers side window is beginning to grumble a bit). As with all cars, you get lucky or unlucky. My car doesn't have a particularly easy life either, during the week it mainly potters round town, but come the weekend or evening, depending of season, it will be off down some track or piling over gravel or sand (regardless of whether its 4WD or 2WD) in search of a Salmon, Trout or Kahawai.
There is a bit of a hit with reliability on the TD4 with the possibility of problems with the Common Rail tech (giving symptoms above) or pulley disintegrating (showing the real meaning of "quality" German engineering!). But its running the same chassis and you don't have to service the belts - AND - even with all those possible faults, they're still more reliable than a Toyota!
I have also had the IRD go pop - but that was pilot error - I can't blame that on the car - although I furiously did at the time!
GrumpyGel
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Is that the bugger you need to slap a Jatco onto the L Series or is it an adaptor plate that's needed?
Nodge68
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teddywood1
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I do not think you can get spares from landrover for a p38 any more can you?
Joe_H
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Now I am REALLY confusedThat's the one GG
No adapter needed.
.... I thought there was no way a jatco would fit on an L series......Was this not only offered on the TD4 and Kv6. The K series version of the plate - as you say - was modified to carry the IRD assembly ...
the jatco bell would need to fit to the plate - and the plate would need to fit to the L. the Jatco bell is not the same as any other is it ? - it is a special plate ..... baffled...
Nodge68
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The Jatco could, in theory be fitted to the L series. Providing the L series has the Rover end plate fitted.
Now we know the Jatco fits an IRD and KV6 engine one go. So now all that is needed, is to make it fit the L series. The rover end plate should do that without to much trouble
Now we know the Jatco fits an IRD and KV6 engine one go. So now all that is needed, is to make it fit the L series. The rover end plate should do that without to much trouble
Joe_H
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Hmmm, interwesting -The Jatco could, in theory be fitted to the L series. Providing the L series has the Rover end plate fitted.
Now we know the Jatco fits an IRD and KV6 engine one go. So now all that is needed, is to make it fit the L series. The rover end plate should do that without to much trouble
---- where would one get such an end plate - ..... also, why would the L in the shot have one ?. In the rover 200 / 25 / 45 etc, the PG1 gearbox bell is the same (afaik ?) as the freelander - a direct swap (physically).... my head hurts..I take that back - the 200 / 25 /45 are a different bell !... ah... I see..... so, with the endplate from a 200 / 25 etc it SHOULD be able to physically fit a Jatco ?---- Don' think an auto was ever used on an L in production. Makes you wonder why no one ever fitted one to a 25/ 45 200 etc etc (electronics aside of course as I am sure that could be sorted)
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Nodge68
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The press shot is a Rover L series not an Land Rover L series.Hmmm, interwesting -
The Rover L has an end plate for the Rover PG1.
The LR L series has an end plate that fits the K series Freelanderised PG1 gearbox.
The K series is the odd engine out, as it has a completely different bell pattern to all other Rover engines. Only the LR L series shares this bell pattern. But fit the Rover end plate to the LR L and suddenly, it'll fit the KV6 Jatco box
Rover L end plate
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Joe_H
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Yup, I realise it was not a freelander lump.. Now, the TD4 Jatco is a completely different pattern. Ok... so, regarding the KV6 - we are saying a KV6 engine would physically fit to a 200 / 25 pg1 box - as far as bolt patterns were concerned. ? - and also the Kv6 FWD auto box would 'physically' bolt up to a 200/25/45 ?
Nodge68
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TD4 is completely different.
Yes the KV6 Jatco box will fit a Rover L series engine. It won't fit the K series 4 pot though as that has a completely different bell pattern. The KV6 will fit the Rover L PG1 box.
See pics above
Joe_H
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Vewwwy interwestingTD4 is completely different.
Yes the KV6 Jatco box will fit a Rover L series engine. It won't fit the K series 4 pot though as that has a completely different bell pattern. The KV6 will fit the Rover L PG1 box.
See pics above
- thanks for the detailed pics - I was collating a few from ebay to compare.So, one difficulty is physically getting hold of the kv6 box in the first place !. don't seem to be many about....
Which begs the question - are the internals exactly the same as the td4 auto box ? - ie, if issues with a kv6 auto then a td4 auto would provide all parts. ?
I would love an L Auto, I could sort the electronics no worries, but would really need a complete engine and box and plate to work with... hmmmmmmmm... ponder....
